The former CEO of SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, Joel Manby On How to Deal with an End-Times, Nuclear and Super Terrible Crisis

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Speaker 1:
At one point, over 90% of the U S population was under mandatory lockdown orders. But some States within these great United States have begun to come to their senses and it began lifting orders over the weekend, allowing some Americans to return to work and to reopen America again. Great States like Georgia, Oklahoma, Alaska, South Carolina, and more are coming to their senses and opening up their stinks. You know it, and I know it too. There was never a time to shut down our country, but now that it has been shut down, it is certainly time to open up our country again. And it’s one today’s show. We are joined by the former chief executive officer of SeaWorld parks and entertainment. Joel, who shares with us his five point plan for reopening America. Hugin

Speaker 3:
yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1:
Drew. I am super excited to have you on the show today because we’re going to be interviewing a great guest here. Now I want you to imagine a hypothetical scenario. Andrew, imagine this. Okay? Are you, are you prepared to imagine I’m mentally prepared? Okay, so imagine this, put it, put it in your cranium, think about it. Imagine you were in charge of

Speaker 4:
SeaWorld. Oh wow. And the primary attraction at your park is killer whales. There’s other things too. People want to see dolphins and stuff, but they want to see the killer whale, the main thing, and imagine you being told by elected officials the media that you can no longer breed killer whales, train killer wills, that you’re being unethical for having killer wills. Imagine there’s a documentary series being run on CNN once a day showcasing their heavily one-sided argument that you are in fact a terrible person for even ever spending time with killer wills

Speaker 1:
near the head of SeaWorld. Would you be stressed? Pretty stressed? Do you have an attack? Well, on today’s show, we have an expert of crisis management folks. We have the former president and chief officer of SeaWorld parks and entertainment. Joel Manby, welcome to the thrive time show. How are you sir?

Speaker 3:
Yeah,

Joel Manby:
I am fantastic. It’s so good to be with you. Thank you for having me

Speaker 1:
brother. Uh, when you were told at SeaWorld as the chief executive officer of SeaWorld parks and entertainment that you could no longer, uh, breed, uh, killer whales trained killer whales, that you were a bad person for even doing this. So when the documentary is just running on nauseum on CNN, how did you feel?

Joel Manby:
I felt as low as I could possibly get. Let’s, let’s start with the fact that CNN purports itself to be a news agency, yet in prime time they were running a movie at least once a week for 52. It ran a 700 times, I believe, on CNN that would not pass a single one of their journalistic standards for accuracy and getting both sides of the story, which it did not. Now, the lowest point in my entire tenure at SeaWorld is when I found out that the coastal commission in California would not allow any further development for SeaWorld in California, which was one of our three main parks and less. We stopped breeding killer whales and legislation was against us in that state. We were going to be basically shut down the killer whale department. So the big issue for us is do we stop it just there or do we do it across the country? We thought everything was going to move East. We would be dealing with this five years if we didn’t deal with it. So we ended up stopping breeding and we got a tremendous turnaround in customer and guest trustworthiness because of that. But it was a very, very stressful and difficult situation.

Speaker 1:
Um, in your new book, do you discuss this in your, in your new book?

Joel Manby:
I do. The, the book’s called love works and it basically outlines seven principles of effective leadership that actually come from love the verb, not love the emotion. A lot of Americans misunderstand that it’s, it’s a Greek word, a gap, which is how you treat people now, how you feel about them. And it’s been incredibly successful in the organizations I’ve implemented in our engagement scores are up, turnover’s down, profitability up. It’s, it’s very, very well documented how well this culture really increases profitability. And I’m in the book explaining it all, but um, I think get at SeaWorld, the issue was, you know, externally we could apply those principles, but we had a lot of internal struggles as well with the board and uh, some dysfunction there that made it very difficult. If you’re not supported at the top with a particular kind of culture, it’s very hard to get it implemented. But we certainly did the best we could.

Speaker 1:
Now, um, I’m not at all discounting, uh, your, your book and nor am I trying to be booed by my guests. So I’m going to be myself,

Speaker 6:
Boone, myself here. Have it.

Speaker 1:
Your book love works. Seven timeless principles for effective leaders is powerful. And if people read the book and they’re going to read the book, if they read the book, the idea is you’re giving people principles and when you have principles, you can then make game plans based upon principles. So I’m not discounting the book or the relevance of the book, but you and I know right now telepathically, I’m gonna read everyone’s mind. Everyone is thinking about what could it be, could it be, Oh, I know the Corona virus. So you have put together a five point plan, I believe, for how America should deal with this Corona virus craziness. And so, um, you, you have been, I mean the CEO of w weren’t you the CEO of Saba at one point? Am I correct sir?

Joel Manby:
Yeah, yes, yes. I’m South North America for automobiles also and enterprises, which has Dolly all a Dolly Parton’s, theme parks, water parks, Harlem globe Trotters. And then before that, actually a startup with amazon.com where we sold cars through Amazon back in the day, 1999 2000 and uh, got caught up in the.com implosion. But I still think that’s the right idea. As all entrepreneurs knew. No, you can be a little too far ahead of the curve and get the arrows back, which, uh, I think we did in that case. But um, yeah, I do have a 5.0

Speaker 1:
let’s do it. I want, I want to hear about the plan. I do want to make sure you know this sir. I at one point drove a Saab convertible with a little turbo of some kind,

Joel Manby:
900 993

Speaker 1:
which one is the least awesome, but they’re both great clips. I’m sure. Which one’s the least

Joel Manby:
good? 900 heads. Some real problems

Speaker 1:
knowing me, I probably bought the cheaper one, so, but I’m sure, I’m sure I helped to pay at least $1 of your salary.

Joel Manby:
It’s a problem. That’s the problem. You gotta you gotta buy the turbocharged that made a big mistake. They went to non turbocharged engines and it got away from legacy. You gotta you gotta have energy and excitement and a car and we brought back all turbo charges and called it a 93. But I’m sorry you had trouble with

Speaker 1:
no, no, I had a good experience with the car. I just know that knowing me, I would have bought the cheaper version. I will say this because you owe me a five point plan because I paid at least $1 of your salary. If you think about it. I mean really you owe, you owe our listeners a five point plan. So what is your five point plan?

Joel Manby:
All right, so, so it actually is based on one of the keywords of love works, which is truthfulness and being painstakingly and dreadfully honest with the American public. So the first step is assess the situation and get the facts out. If you look at the real facts of this Krone virus, 99.2% of the people who die from it have preexisting conditions, whether it’s diabetes being overweight or hugely overweight or heart disease. And the death rate for people are 18 to 50 is only 0.01% which is 10 times less than the common flu and another another status. The flu kills kids, which the Corona virus really does not. I mean zero in 100,000 statistically. So most of the deaths in most communities come from the senior citizens, old folks homes, your senior citizen homes.

Speaker 7:
So we have to press on the cliff. I mean, yeah,

Joel Manby:
more people, a million, 1,000,003 people are killed in car wrecks, 500,000 die of heart disease, 150,000 die of suicide every year. And so the main point, the first step is access the situation. I wish that president Trump and the administration would focus more on putting this in context, but it’s not politically correct to do so. The second point is acknowledge that nobody is going to agree on how to get out of this thing. I mean, the business people want to reopen. The healthcare industry wants no one to die of Corona night’s teen, which is ridiculous because people are going to die from it and I’m not being

Speaker 1:
real quick, real quick, the devil, the devil is not even an advocate, but I have to argue because if I argue, I feel like then then the listener can go, Oh, okay, I get it. There are people that do not want to open up the country again unless nobody can die from the coronavirus. And you just said

Joel Manby:
lists. It is ridiculous at the basic fact of assumption. Look, w 1,000,003 people that accidents every year, you know that you have a higher percentage chance of dying getting in your car every day. Then the Corona virus,

Speaker 7:
you do not have a preexisting condition by

Joel Manby:
a multiple of about 40 so we don’t stop driving. People are going to die, but it’s so politically incorrect to say we have to move forward because there’s more downside and upside. I mean, I hate to quote dr Spock from star Trek, but the good of the many away to go to the future.

Speaker 1:
You know, I think what I’m gonna do is every time you give a point of your plan, I’m going to hit by Fox news sound and that way it sounds more alarming and more urgent and more scary because don’t you think that’s part of the deal too? A little bit of part of this whole excitement is playing scary music.

Joel Manby:
I want you to push back on me every time I make a point that you think your listeners won’t agree with. So go ahead and give me a good gauge of the Fox news.

Speaker 1:
Yeah, I want to get the Fox news. This is what the Fox news is, the Fox news update.

Speaker 7:
Here we go.

Speaker 1:
This Justin Fox news, another person who has died from the Corona virus. This is the first African American of Russian descent. This Justin, tonight we join you. I mean every time. Let me do it. Let me do another one. This is,

Joel Manby:
do you have it? How about, how about flash news? If you don’t have a pretty good

Speaker 7:
just in condition and you’re under 50 you have almost

Joel Manby:
no chance of dying from the disease,

Speaker 1:
but that’s positive. You know what

Speaker 8:
they want to do? They cue up this music that’s almost like haunting Makita and it’s like tonight on Fox news. Do you have the virus? The virus may have mutated into 30 different strands. Can we kill the virus tight and Fox news

Speaker 1:
and then you’re going, hold me, hold bright. I mean, don’t you see that happening? People are, so you’re saying scary,

Joel Manby:
but that’s where the president and I, you know, I think he’s doing a good job putting us through this crap. This is, by the way, yeah. I just, I, we have to get the facts. I would say healthcare industry wants zero deaths. That’s not going to happen. And it’s impractical. Government government will overreact because if a politician gets accused of not reacting strongly enough, they won’t get reelected. Right? So all the pressure is to overreact. So we as the, as, as the president needs to make a good decision weighing all of these issues together, which leads to the third point. If we’ve acknowledged that. No, we will agree. The third point is anticipate what’s going to happen. And this is the hardest one that I don’t have good data on it. You get it. I think your listeners would love it. What’s going to happen with 20% unemployment? What’s going to happen with mental illness, substance abuse, death from suicide, abuse in the home, divorce rate. You know, if you take employee unemployment to 20% it just our country is going to be in severe crisis. Much worse than maybe a hundred

Speaker 1:
well, okay, let me tell you what’s going to happen. Let me tell what’s gonna happen with 20% unemployment. Have you traveled around the world a lot there, sir? Did you, did you travel? Did you ever go to Venezuela

Joel Manby:
once?

Speaker 1:
Did you go to Trinidad and Tobago?

Joel Manby:
No, I have not been there.

Speaker 1:
Did you go to Honduras? Did you go to Honduras? Honduras. Honduras?

Joel Manby:
Yes. I’ve been to Honduras.

Speaker 1:
I didn’t. Have you been to Belize?

Joel Manby:
I have not.

Speaker 1:
What about Brazil? Brazil. That’s my final country. I’ll ask you. Presented. Yes. Yes. Okay, so we’re, we’re mentioning countries that we have been to you and I’ve been to most of these. Okay? These I, I got off the boat. I get off the boat. I’m going to Brazil and I’m thinking, I’m going to Brazil. I’m going to Brazil. It’s going to be awesome. Exotic. You know the resort, you get on the resort and you’re like, Whoa, this is swag. Delicious. This is it. It’s beautiful. Love this place. Majestic beaches, right? Remember the resort, but then you go outside of the resort and there’s great people, no jobs, great people, no jobs. You have beggars everywhere. People making houses out of 10 stuff, people, adults who are my age, digging through dumpsters, looking for food. People who have committed, no previous crimes are now breaking into grocery stores for food. That’s what about 20% employment looks like. I mean, that’s about employment rates of some of these places. I mean, that’s what, that’s what it looks like, right? I mean, am I, am I getting it right? I mean, is it that that’s what it looks like.

Joel Manby:
Absolutely right, and that’s what I’m afraid for in this country. And then what’s going to happen, unfortunately I believe is if this message continues, it really puts the reelection in in debates because people will blame anybody who’s unemployed is not going to vote for the incumbent, unfortunately. And that’s where I, I’m cynical, but I believe that some of the opposing party doesn’t want the economy to reopen. It doesn’t want it to do well because it will get Trump reelected.

Speaker 1:
I’m going to read this audio to you and I’d like for you to, uh, share with me. I want, I believe. Well, let me play the audio. I’ve never heard this audio before. Okay. And I’m not trying to paint you into a corner. This is audio just put out by Newsweek at two 57, which means this audio came out less than two hours ago and this is from Newsweek. So I’m going to play it and I just want to have your reaction to this before you share with us the next point of your plan. So here we go. Let me play

Speaker 9:
because as I’ve said many times, and I’ll repeat it, the worst is yes ahead for us. It is how we respond to that challenge that’s going to determine what the ultimate end point is going to be. We have a very, very critical point. Now, if you look at the curves that I’ve described multiple, multiple times, this window that we’re in is going to be very important for us to stay ahead of this curve. Thank you.

Speaker 1:
No, that’s dr Fowchee. And that was, and I want to read to you, or I’d like to read to you real quick, the, um, the, the text that goes with it and the articles from Newsweek, it says, a doctor found she backed the controversial Wu Han lab with millions of U S dollars for risky Corona virus research. Previous to me reading to that, to you, sir, were you aware of that?

Joel Manby:
No, I was not.

Speaker 1:
Do you think that most people were aware of that?

Joel Manby:
No, that’s actually shocks me. I’m not sure exactly what it means, but, so he was backing them with money and we researched for what?

Speaker 1:
No, this is Newsweek and again, a Newsweek. Uh, I think we all agree it tends to be left of center. Okay. So I’m not quoting Fox news here. I’m trying to quote things that maybe don’t necessarily agree with my libertarian worldviews. Um, but I read this, it says dr Fowchee is the advisor to president Trump and something of an American folk hero for his steady calm leadership during the pandemic crisis. At least one poll shows that Americans trust dr Foundry more than Trump on the coronavirus pandemic. And few scientists are portrayed on TV by Brad Pitt. But last year, the national Institute for allergy and infectious diseases, the organization led by dr Fowchee funded scientists at the Wu Han Institute of virology and other institutions for work on gain of function research on bat Corona viruses. Now, if you go to thrive time show.com and you have all, all the listeners can do this, and you click on the button that’s in the funnel that says button.

Speaker 1:
It says, get the facts about the coronavirus. I’ve put a link and I’m going to read to you what they did because this is a link. And I’ll give the, this is an abstract or kind of a, you know, if you’re the CEO, don’t you have to be accountable to shareholders and say what you did with the money? Is that, is that kind of best practice there? So, okay, so this is from the website. Um, this is from the, uh, again, I’m putting a link to it so you can read the abstract from NCBI. Dot. In I am.in IAS. That’s a national Institute for health national Institute for health. This is from the Wu Han laboratory sharing what they did with the money, and I’m reading word for word, it says here we examine the disease potential, the SARS like virus, which is currently circulating in the Chinese horseshoe bat populations using reverse genetics. We generated a virus expressing the spike of the bat Corona virus in a mouse adapted backbone. I’m not super smart and you have to assume that I’m manipulating you or not being honest with you and I encourage you to click on the links. But does that seem like maybe we should have known that do you think or what do you, I just want to know in terms of transparency, what do you think should we have known this or not? Or what, what do you think?

Joel Manby:
You know, I, it’s, it’s tough to know from that information. I think, uh, I think all of us perhaps under reacted a little bit in the beginning, um, including, I remember when Trump came on and banded, uh, he, he, he banned flights to Europe. I thought, wow, that’s overreaction. But in the end of the day, I have, I think our government, or at least Trump specifically, he cut off flights from China before anybody did. He did. And so I supported there. Um, I think it’s, it’s, it’s suspect, it is suspect, no doubt about it. We have to look into it more.

Speaker 1:
Okay. I just was curious. I just would be, um, and I wanna make sure that you can share with me, cause I’ve never been the CEO of a big publicly of a big publicly traded company, but if you were the CEO of a big publicly traded company, let’s say when you were in charge of SeaWorld. Okay. And let’s say that I’m a vendor and I want to, you know, I want to wow you, I want you to start selling my soft pretzels. Do you have to disclose if I gave you 3 million bucks?

Joel Manby:
That’s the, that’s the thing that I struggle with is how come we didn’t know this sooner. I think dr pouchy has a responsibility to, to make sure we all knew that. Now we don’t know what that research was after. Maybe we don’t try to help the situation, but it does sound like there was more information, uh, before we all, we all got it publicly. Um, so it’s, it’s a little, it’s a little

Speaker 1:
interesting. It’s about 0.1 you said is be transparent. So I’m just trying to get the facts out as we know about it. All right.

Joel Manby:
Sorry. So the first, the first point is assess the situation, get the facts. The second is to acknowledge nobody’s going to agree. And then the third to anticipate what happens if we don’t deal with this from what’s going to happen for unemployment, suicide, et cetera. The fourth thing, which I know you and I agree on from previous conversation is a measured plan. Yeah. I think we need to reopen now people who are 18 to 60 because they have almost no chance of dying from this and less and less they have a preexisting condition. So open up the restaurants, open up the spas and the haircut facilities, anything under 200 people I think should be open as long as they’re smart, masker, mandatory, et cetera, et cetera. We should save the testing capacity for the elderly. And we should put all of our resources, as you have said in previous programs, because I listened to your podcast, you’ve said, let’s put all the resources into saving those 70 and older because that’s where the best backs majority are dying from this disease.

Joel Manby:
I think you’re dead on right there. And that way we get the economy going again for those who aren’t at risk for those disease. And then the last point, which is 0.5, is to reassess every one or two weeks because data keeps changing. So maybe we reopened. Now let’s start with 200 people in gatherings, then 500 then a thousand. Now it’s true. Sports events, theme parks, uh, let’s say cruise ships, they’re going to be the last to recover. Alyssa ease into this. But to have this total shutdown is killing the economy and hurting people more than the Corona virus. And that’s, that’s where I, I th I think if the president would follow this five point plan of getting the facts out, acknowledging we won’t agree, anticipate what’s going to happen and a measured plan or reopening, opening and then reassess as we get new facts.

Joel Manby:
And I think we’ll work ourselves out of this. We have to, this is 20% unemployment is much worse than a hundred thousand people. And I know I sound crass in that, but when you think that the 80,000 people, I agree with you Lou, or 500,000 who die of heart disease, does everybody stop eating ice cream because 500,000 people die of heart disease. Now people keep going and they take that risk. So I, I’m old, I’m 60 so I have, I’m a little bit higher category. I, I don’t have a preexisting condition. I’m not afraid of getting the virus. You know the recent tests from Stanford university and Stanford is like the Harvard of the West. I mean this is no shaggy institution. They are saying that the antibodies tested in, people show that 50 to 80 times more people have it than reprieve. Yes, we saw it. And that’s why this death rate is really more like, yeah, 0.1 not one to 3% 0.1% clay is the, is the normal flu. So do we, do we go into complete shut down because of the normal flu? No. Do we have hospital capacity issues right now? No. Except for a little bit of time in New York city and that’s even questionable. So I, I’m not being crass. It’s just we have to put this in perspective.

Speaker 1:
Now I have a one final question I wanted to ask you because I know that there’s somebody out there that doesn’t agree. And the whole point of this is to make sure that we can share your plan with people. If we, uh, we have a fork in the road. If we don’t open what happens? And if we do have, if we do open, what happens in your mind? We talked about it a little bit, but I want to just hear from your perspective 60 more because again, I was going to say the models we’re following, we’re PR were originally created by Neil Ferguson and Neil Ferguson who a lot of people, a lot of people don’t know. A lot of people always are quoting the models, but they don’t know who made the model. So I want to make sure we’re very clear on this.

Speaker 1:
Neil Ferguson is the director of the Abdul Latif Jameel Institute for disease and emergency analytics. He is recommending that we stay shut down for 18 months. I’m going to play audio there for you sir. So you can hear what he’s recommending that he’s the one who recommended the shutdown. Okay, so I’m playing this for you. I just want you to hear his recommendation and you can tell me what happens if we follow his plan and what happens if we open up right away. I just want you to get your take on this. I’m gonna kill the audio and I’ll pull your mic down real quick. Here we go.

Speaker 10:
So I think kind of fundamental decisions have to be made by countries as to whether they’re going to follow what who is recommending and what the Chinese did, namely attempt to suppress all transmission or alternatively try to mitigate in some sense control an epidemic but short of completely stopping spread. And it’s an important distinction because in the former case, effectively that’s a strategy which I mean in theory if it works, could crude, you know largely prevent deaths from this infection. But we’d really have to be kept in place for 12 to 18 months until we have a vaccine available at scale. So that has enormous feasibility issues and can you actually can in any society really maintain those sort of controls for that long clearly has huge economic and social issues associated with it.

Speaker 1:
What do you, what do you say to the idea what would, what, what would happen if we carried out that game plan of being shut down for 12 to 18 months?

Joel Manby:
It would kill a heck of a lot more people than a hundred thousand I think just since suicidal on, and I’m sorry, but that he’s the same individual who projected 2 million deaths in this country and currently we’re sitting at about 60,000 which is less than what one 20th of his projections. So I think you know, we models have a high degree of variability based on their inputs, right? The more we know, the more the inputs are refined. Right now we know a lot more and the antibody tests say that 50 to 80 times more people have it than we thought. They are asymptomatic. They don’t even know they have it. There’s no way we can control this disease. It’s going to spread. The point is it’s not that deadly. It’s 0.1% of the overall population based on current data that may change. I may stand corrected.

Joel Manby:
However, right now that’s the same as the flu. So we have to understand that we have to protect the elderly. And you know, one thing I didn’t say earlier, crisply the common flu kills children more than the Corona virus. And right now, therefore we have an elderly person issue and by all means, we should spend every resource to protect those people. And I don’t like the fact that anybody’s 70 or older should stay confined. That’s where our testing should go. They should not go out and they should not be in public unless they test negative and they should be tested weekly and we really have to care for the the, the, the senior citizen homes because they’re just being decimated when the virus gets in there. But that’s not a reason to shut down the economy. We’re taking a holistic approach where we need very strategic shots at solving an issue and just like you’ve said, I mean you were the one who said, let’s put all of our money into helping the elderly get through this.

Joel Manby:
But for, for all of us who are younger and healthy and know preexisting condition, we should go about our duties and get back to work. It would be a disaster if we don’t get back to work for 12 months that I don’t think any of us can predict. I wish there was more discussion about what’s going to happen. The 20% of employment and everything that goes with it. And I just think, I hate to go back to suicide rate, but that’s a hundred, 130,000 today I of suicide. It’s not a stretch to say that that’s going to grow by 50%, which is 75.

Speaker 1:
I have a guy that, I have a guy I know very well. I have a guy who went to, he’s been to multiple thrive time show conferences who killed himself on April 12th

Speaker 1:
chicken. His hand met the guy I’ve had. Um, uh, no, it’s bad. I had a sales associate, one of the companies that I coach and consult this person attempted to take their life. That’s it. That’s the thing. Um, I’ve had, he’s a real discipline, real real stories. I don’t know, like thousands and thousands of people, you know, these are people that I actually know. I mean this is, this is some serious stuff. Um, and it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, we’re, we’re messing with, with fire here. I w I guess my final little sneaky question, I want to ask you this because have you ever been around it? An educated idiot?

Joel Manby:
Uh, they’re, they’re a dime a dozen.

Speaker 1:
Oh, now here’s the thing about educated idiots. I’ve been around them before, and I remember I went to a class at oral Roberts university. It’s a, it’s a Christian school. I went a Christian school, I’m a Christian Guy. I went there and this person puts their hand up and we’ll call him captain snarkiness. And this is what captain snarky was snarkiness would do. Excuse me, sir. Um, if the infinity, um, he has means forever, who created it? So the professor’s like, well, you know, that’s one thing we don’t know about the character of God. He’s omniscient. He’s Omni potent. He’s, you know, he’s all knowing. He’s all present. He’s, you know, he’s, he’s easy to be kind of a big deal. We don’t know. But you can ask him when you get there. Oh, okay. But, but sir, sir, who created God and he’s going, I previously stated he’s omniscient.

Speaker 1:
We believe he’s omniscient. He’s omnipotent. You know, he’s omnipresent. We believe he’s everywhere. He knows everything and we don’t know. Uh, but sir, we’re in, this guy’s got a 4.0 I know this guy to this day can’t hold a job. Oh he can’t hold a job. He wants to hold a job, but he’s an educated idiot. Joe, you’ve seen these people. Could it be possible that some of the people making these models, cause dad is different than models, models are projections based upon what my biases, my worldview, my hypothesis, my right. I mean who’s actually looked at the model of Neil Ferguson? Is it possible that somebody could be an educated idiot here who’s steering the ship? I’m not saying that you are saying that Neil Ferguson could be an educated idiot. I’m saying I think he’s an educated idiot because anybody that would recommend a cure that would completely, I mean if I said, if Joel, if you called me and I said thank you for calling Clay’s extermination service and you said, yeah, you’d see a world here.

Speaker 1:
We’ve got a little bit of a problem. We’ve got some frogs in the tanks. Sure sir. I’ll say, I’ll take care of it. And you show up the next day, you shut down sea world for a day to protect the animals, to protect the dolphins, to protect the killer whales. And you come back and all the fish are belly up. They’re all dead. And you say, what’d you do? I said, I poured in bleach, I killed all the fish and I killed the frogs. I mean, at a certain point, I mean, Neil Ferguson is recommending a plan that is certain suicide for our economy. Could he, could it be, could it be that he’s an educated idiot? Could it be

Joel Manby:
it? It could be. I don’t know. And I haven’t read, I haven’t read all that he said it may be they took the extreme edge of his range, but 2 million people, you know, it’s assumes kind of wonderful.

Speaker 1:
Yeah. It’s a lot.

Joel Manby:
I have, this is easy and it’s just not going to happen.

Speaker 1:
Oh, geez. Well, you know what, I tell you what, you have, uh, over-delivered. You know, I, I, I, uh, gave you a dollar as previously stated when I bought a book. I’m sure that some of that trickled down to you Reaganomics it got to you or you over delivered so much value and I want, I don’t want Andrew, I’m not the kind of guy who would guilt our listeners into buying a book. I’m not going to say look guys, just because we have a great executive on the show who gave us a five point plan for opening up America, I’m not going to say you’re a bad person. You’re not buying a book. I wouldn’t say you wouldn’t say you would say that. I would absolutely say that. I would say you’re an awful person if you don’t buy his book. I wouldn’t say wouldn’t.

Speaker 1:
If you don’t go to Amazon right now and push past your carpal tunnel and push past the pain and get one of those bowling kind of braces, you can wear the board. If you’re a good bowler, you have your own brace. I’m not saying you’re a bad person if you can’t push through the carpal tunnel to buy this new book. Your love works seven timeless principles for effective leaders, but you would, I wouldn’t. And it’s a, it’s a one click buy now feature. It’s pretty, pretty simple. And you’re a classy guy. I’m a classy guy and I’m not going to point out that if you’re doing the whole Corona thing where you’re stuck doing nothing but watching regrettable Netflix series of binge watching them, that you probably need to read a good book and that a book could change your mind. You’re probably being less than smart if you’re spending your time on Netflix and not reading a good book.

Speaker 1:
I’m not going to say that, but you would. I’d be the guy you were saying that right now. That’s what you’re saying. That’s what I’m saying. So Andrew, what are you saying? I’m saying that you need to go buy the book or we need to button the book. The book’s called love works. Love works. Seven timeless principles of for effective leaders. And I’m not the kind of guy to say that Andrew, a lot of people don’t really write things down until you say 17 times. Yup. So I’m not going to say that we should say the name of the book again, but you would, I would tell us the name of the book again, because that’s what you want to do. I’ll say it. Yeah. You don’t have any clubs. I know you won’t, but I love works. Seven timeless principles for effective leaders. Hey, I was looking at the cue card that you wrote for me and it says, clay, say the title seven times.

Speaker 1:
Could you say it one more time just so I don’t want you to totally dissonance [inaudible] yeah. Love works. Seven timeless principles for effective leaders. Hey, can you give a I on the, I have one more pro tip. Can you give Joel your pro pit of your, your, your, your pro tip for what we call the quarantine cult cut. Oh yeah. The [inaudible] cold cuts for meat, but there’s a cold cut when you can’t get your hair cut. Can you tell him what your strategy is? But the, the, the behind the Colt cut, it’s when everybody does it. And so the quarantine cut, what you do is you just, you take a, uh, uh, no guard, no guard on your razor, on your radio, on the razor, and you, well first, first you have to attempt it. You have to attempt a good haircut. You attempt to do it, get in your, does your wife help?

Speaker 1:
My wife helped me. She’s incredible. She’s great. And she tested her for immunity. No, and we came within six feet of each other and I don’t know if we’re, I personally have bodies and I’ve got the antibody. She’s got the antibody and chronic cut now probably came from the Corona anyway, so you take the no guard and you just zip, you buzz it. You start at the top, the front, the front top with no guard and you just go from front to back front to back, front to back. And then you repeat, Oh, about an inch over. Then you repeat until bald, until bald. Joel, what’s your strategy right now? Are you going with the, uh, the kind of the in times pepper look, what are you doing?

Joel Manby:
I’m going long here. I’m going back to the seventies because I’ll tell you what, I tried what you just said. I saw my brother do that when he went in the air force and they shaved his head and his hair never grew back, so he went bald after that. So I’ve been paranoid for four 50 years here ever since. I’ve seen that. Sorry, I don’t wish that upon, I’m going wrong. I’m going long Beatles long.

Speaker 1:
I can say this and I’m not Joel, you’re not saying this, but if any of the listeners out there have it POS, if it’s, if it’s for the listeners to get dr Fowchee with me in the, in the studio, I would like to put them in a headlock, give them a Negi and give them the quarantine cut with your fist until you grab the hair right off from the hair. Probably fall right out if we could find him. He’s not super tall. If I can find him, I would like to get him here. I appreciate you so much for being here and if you could bring me dr Fowchee, that would be great.

Joel Manby:
I will do my best and I just promise your listeners if they implement those uh, those processes in love works, their cultural improve and their business will improve because I’ve seen it happen myself and I’ve done it without it early in my career and I, I guarantee it works. So I really appreciate being on your show. I think we have a huge issue here with the coronavirus and I love the ability to talk through how we can handle it better as a country. We need to,

Speaker 1:
what I’m going to do right now, Joel, is I’m going to call you back from my cell phone right now cause I want to introduce you to somebody who has the connections to the vice president’s office. So I’m calling you back in just a moment so you can share that plan with people that have the power to make that change. But thank you so much for being on the show.

Joel Manby:
Oh Claire has been fantastic. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Keep up the good work.

Speaker 1:
Take care

Speaker 11:
and now without any further ed two, three, boom,