Top Successful Entrepreneurs without a College Degree

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Do you need a college degree to become successful? On today’s show, we discussed the top 73 entrepreneur success stories who achieved their success without a college degree, including the founders of bank of America, clear channel, general electric, Etsy, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Ford, automotive, and many other leading companies. They all didn’t have a degree and they all achieved massive success. Here we go.

Yes, yes, yes and yes. Thrive nation. On today’s show, we are having an incredible conversation about people who’ve achieved success and who’ve earned a massive amount of compensation without a college degree. Now, now Jason Beasley, you are a business coach and you have in fact at one point managed all three elephant in the room stores and I believe close to 4,000 members. That is, ah, my friend. Do you have a college degree? I have an associate in arts from a culinary Institute. Okay, fine. You are disqualified, you no longer can speak on behalf of team dropout has nothing to do with my actual career or any other jobs. Oh okay. No, but seriously, but you, you do have an associates degree so you are an educated man. Somewhat. Okay. So I’m gonna have you read what, how’s that show’s gonna work? Cause I’m gonna have you read kinda the, the, the text that we have prepared that our team has researched too. When I say our team me, I’ve spent way too long researching this team researching this, this group, this list of the top 73 entrepreneurs, the top 73 success stories that don’t have a degree. But I want to start off by asking you this question and kind of the fork in the road. If you’re listening today, do you need a degree to achieve your goals? Do you need a degree to achieve your goals? So, so think about this just for a second.

If you want to be an ophthalmologist, Jason, an ophthalmologist, do you believe you should have a degree? Yeah. Yep. You can’t watch you tube videos and show up and go, well, here’s the joke, Daryl, I’ve got this idea. You want you to stand right there and I’ll just get that. I’m going to get that cataract just [inaudible]. You can’t do that, right? Okay. Now, if you want to become a a, an optometrist, Jason, do you need a college degree? See, I know there’s no surgery involved in that one, but I also don’t know the medical implications. I would say you probably do. Okay? More maybe more makeup points for you. However, if you are listening out there today and you want to become an entrepreneur, Oh yeah. Or you want to study marketing or sales or management you, you, you do not need a degree.

No. All right, so let’s go ahead and, and let’s just kind of deal with that idea. So first question, if you’re scoring at home, make sure you write down whether you need a degree for what you want to do, yes or no. Then I want you to think about this for a second. The founders of bank of America, clear channel, general electric, Etsy, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook. They all do not have a college degree. The founder of Dell computers, no degree. Think about that. Banking pinking banking. Yes, the founder of modern banking, APG and knee. No degree. The modern computers we use today, the, the personal computer, Apple, you know Steve jobs was Nick. No degrees software. Bill Gates. No degree. What? Yeah, that the cars we drive, the idea of mass producing cars. Henry Ford, no degree. Think about modern electricity, modern video, auger, Raphy, modern audio, all invented by GE.

And the founder of GE had no degree. Think about that. Now somebody out there might be listening and saying, but you don’t understand clay, I can’t even listen to this show about success cause I’ve had a lot of failures in the past. So I thought we would read a little bit about Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president of the United States. Someone consider him to be the best president of the United States that we’ve had or one of the most iconic presidents we’ve ever had. So Jason, can you read to us about some of the adversity that Abraham Lincoln president, Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president of these great United States what he went through. So despite not having earned the respect of his peers by obtaining, obtaining a college degree, he went on to become a lawyer and president of the United States because he chose to be self taught. He never did stop learning until the day of his death.

In 1832, he lost his job and was defeated for state legislature. So that sounds like a loss. Maybe kind of a downer, kind of a [inaudible] lost number one. Okay. What was it? What was the next adversity here? Lost number two. A year later, he officially failed in business. Oh, that’s two. That’s two times. Okay. Keep going. In 1843 he lost his attempt to be nominated for Congress. And that’s another three losses if you’re scoring at home. Father Abraham. Okay, continue. Then again, in 1848, he lost his renomination for Congress. Now real quick, at 1848 he lost it. And was that his fourth or fifth loss? Was that his fifth defeat? There is fifth mega mega loss. That was this fourth mega loss in a row. Okay. Now Abraham Lincoln was born in 1809 and what time was the last last you just mentioned? What was the year of the last 1848 okay, so we do a little math here, say 1848 minus 1809 and by the way, we’re trying to fix the urinal here in the the thrive time show offices.

We’re having a journal that will not stop running. So if at any point a member of the custodial engineering team should call me or should show up, I’m gonna have to break the normal form and go make the urinal work properly. Oh yeah. I think it might be a deal. Or we’ll keep recording and then maybe you will work with the custodial engineer team to explain the situation. Oh yeah. That way the lid listeners can do in real time the status of our urinal flow and let them know that toilets flush backwards in Australia. You, you told me that in the meeting and I have still been grappling with that. So now Abraham Lincoln, he’s 39 years old here. What was the last defeat you just mentioned was in the 19 or 1843, right? 1848 48. So he’s, he right here, he’s age 39. He’s 39 years old in 1848 when he lost his renomination for Congress.

And then in 1843 because I’m a good math guy, that means he’s 33 years old when he lost his attempt to be nominated and then he failed in business and I’m just a math wizard or today I’m on fire. If that was an 1833 and he was born in 1809, that means he was 24 years old the first time he bombed in business age 24. Right. And then when he lost his job and was defeated, that’s what he gives some context to this. When he lost his job and was defeated for state legislator he was only 23, so homeschool, it was losing a lot. But he was a young guy, right? I mean, would you beat up a, a friend of yours mentally and go, Oh, Euro, you’re on a loser. If they lost in business when they’re 24 not at all. Yeah, you gotta you gotta try, you gotta take some shots, baby.

It’s the best time to lose it is when you’re younger. I have five little whippersnappers to feed right now. It’s not a good time to lose. Unbelievable. And by the way, I had a Craig Rochelle with life church the other day. How does incredible sermon, he did talking about adoption and foster parenting. And I secretly listened to that thing and I woke up and it has impacted my thinking. I woke up, I woke up this morning going, maybe I should adopt all the kids in America. And then I thought, no, no, no. I’ve got to go record that show and fix that urinal. But I a big shout out to Craig Rochelle, great, great show. And that’s a guy who thought through a lot of adversity to build America’s largest evangelical church. And a guy has been on the podcast now for two shows. Craig Rochelle looked at gap. He’s a founder of life church.

Back to you. Jason tells more about Abraham Lincoln. So the following year in 1849 he was rejected in his attempt to become a land officer. Ah, whenever you get rejected to be a land offs or you know, it’s not going to continue. In 1854 he was defeated for U S Senate. Okay. So he was 40 years old when he lost the land officer gig. Now he’s 19 1854 so let me get that math out again here. And that’s a wow. Age 45 yet another laws for father Abraham continue my friend in 1856 he was defeated for nomination for vice president. Now it’s not even fun anymore. Now it’s, I don’t even like hitting this button. I feel bad for father Abraham’s age 47. Okay. And then what happened next? Eight Oh, actually, so I jumped forward. Oh, so after, right before, right after he lost his renomination, he was defeated for us Senate.

Oh. And that was age 45. Okay. That’s a mega point for you for catching that you are, you are a man of detail. Amount of precision. Okay, continue. That’s all of them. Okay. So Abraham Lincoln, lot of losses, lot of losses, but he ended up becoming our president. I think it’s so important that if you’re out there listening today that you don’t get all worked up if you’ve had some losses, if you’ve, if you’ve had some lack of success in your career, cause we all, we all have now what are we going to do is I’m going to have you Jason one by one, read off these, these individuals. Now I want you to read it nice and slow like the pros and then I’m going to pontificate with, add a detail that I happened to know about because this is the kind of stuff that I research and read all the time.

Some people say, clay, what do you do with your free time? This is what I do. I look up the top 73 entrepreneurs who’ve had success without it, without a degree. I put it into an outline form. I then type it to be original so that the it it, here’s to all the Google canonical rules. Oh yeah. And then I come up top in Google for various search terms and people’s names. I mean, that’s what I do. So, okay, so Jason read to us about our first dropout. Who has done well in the game of business. Oh, here we go. And if I butcher any names, I will not apologize. You will let me. This one is first guys, AP G. Oh, O a. P. I was going to read it. Armand Dayo. I’m gonna tell you I’m gonna do those. The first [inaudible]. Oh, Oh, Oh, do, okay.

Continue. Alright. So the high school dropout who started one of America’s largest banks after dropping out of high school, a P G and INI founded the bank of Italy, which later became the bank that we all know as the bank of America. Jeannie is credited as being the father of the, or of the creator of many of today’s modern and banking practices, including being one of the first bankers to intentionally offer banking services to middle-class Americans. And not just to upperclass people at the young age of just 34 Jeannie and he started the bank of Italy in San Francisco. The original bank was located in a former bar slash saloon and was created to be an institution for the every man and for the little fellow, I like it. He created as bank to be a bank for the hardworking immigrants whom other banks at the time simply would not serve.

His philosophy was to judge his clients, not based upon their wealth, but based upon their character. So you’re saying that a guy without a degree notice that people that had a, that didn’t come from wealth needed a place to do their banking right? Cause nobody was offering that. And so he decided to start the bank of Italy. And you’re that our motto again, bank of America, think about how big bank of America is. Think about the idea of all these different branches take about a bank that’s designed to serve the every man. Sounds a lot like the banks we have today. If it guy who made the banking system that we have today did not have a to agree he didn’t finish high school. He didn’t finish high school. Are you kidding me Jason? How many people do you know that feel like cause how old are you Jason?

I just turned 26 this year. And so you ah, I went to school. Where were you? Where’d you go to high school? Edison. Tell me about how much going to college was preached or wasn’t preached from the high school counselors, from the high school teachers. I just want to hear how much pro college talk you had or how much anti college talk you had while going to school. And then after you share with us about that, share with us as to whether you were ever taught about the banking system being created by a high school dropout. Back to you, sir. So on the point of college, the courses that I did, cause I just decided I wanted to be a smart kid. I’m going to take all the AP programs, every single class that you had, they would preach. So at the end of it, we’ll make sure you’re ready for your final, because you were going, this is going to be on your sat and your act, depending on whatever you’re going into.

We had mandatory trips to OSU in Oh, you just to walk around like mandatory trips. Like we wasted a whole day and walk around this place. And then it was all, you know, just up to your test scores at the end. But the test scores were all based off of things that had nothing to do with what they’re teaching us. And then back to, did we learn about anybody being a high school dropout, creating the modern day banking system? No, I’m at the finance class. We just watched Dave Ramsey videos, which shouts out to Dave, but they didn’t tell us anything about other entrepreneurs or entrepreneurial success throughout history or anything like that. Interesting. You know, Peter teal one of the first investors in a Facebook Peter TEALS worth over $1 billion. He has some interesting things to say about college. And one of the things he says, he says that colleges are the equivalent of four year parties.

He says that’s true. Most colleges you think that you think that’s true? Yeah. Cause I mean I have buddies that graduated from O U and they would always say, Hey, come down on the weekend. So I’ll go down there big. What’d you guys do? And one was in the fraternity and he’s like, well, this all week we’ve got solo cups in the living room and we’ll see where bullets. All right. Okay. So I want to make sure we’re getting this here before we move on. Peter teal, Peter teal, who again is one of the early investors in Facebook worth over a billion dollars. He’s had a lot of success. He also was one of the original members of what they call the PayPal mafia. They included Reid Hoffman and Elon Musk, the guys who built PayPal, these, these guys that’s going to call him the PayPal mafia. This is Peter, Peter teal.

He’s also a, the first one of the most he’s just a very interesting cat. He’s very one of, one of the first outspoken people to really, really go after college. He just doesn’t care. And he says university administrators are the equivalent of the subprime mortgage brokers selling you a story that you should go into debt massively. And it’s not a C in that it’s not a consumption decision. It’s an investment decision. Actually, no, it’s a bad consumption decision. Most colleges are just for year parties. Think about that for a second. For your parties since I would say this. Jason, have you bought a house yet? I have not. I’m still looking. Okay. Let’s say you decide to buy a house. When you do buy that house, you’re going to have an appraiser that’s going to come by and make sure that the house appraises for what?

For how much you’re buying it for. Okay. Why do you think a bank who’s going to lend you money to buy a house would want to have the houses praised before you can buy? Why would they want, why would a bank want to know the actual value of the house before they give you money? Lend you money to buy the house. One, they’re lending you the money to do so. So they want to make sure that it is an appropriate amount and they’re not overpaying to, there is a good chance at that. It’s going to be theirs in the future. Okay, so let’s pretend. Pretend that you had an appraiser that had to go with a potential college students to the college. That would be great. And say, here’s the deal. You’re going to study history at a private college. You’re going to pay 50,000 a year to go to that college.

So you’re going to be $200,000 in debt now with $200,000 in debt. What kind of job do you think that you’re going to earn with that history degree? We’re not going to lend you money. You could become the next Indiana Jones though. You could be, but I don’t know how much money Indiana Jones made it. I mean, the movie itself did well, but as far as [inaudible] does that make sense though? No, it makes a lot of sense. So again, I would say maybe, maybe a, before you think about going to college, maybe like an appraiser to come with you and just see how much money you’d actually make with that degree. All right, Jason, continue. What is the next the next successful entrepreneur who does not have a degree? We’re talking about the top 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree. So next up is the great Andrew Carnegie.

So the grade school dropout who became one of the world’s wealthiest men to help his family pay the bills, Andrew Carnegie began working full time to help support his family for just $1 and 20 cents per week or $36 and 25 cents in today’s money at just the age of 13, despite being an elementary school dropout, elementary school drop out, not high school. This man went on to become the world’s wealthiest man during his lifetime. You know I could, I could, I could do entire shows just about Andrew Carnegie because he is so prolific, so successful by can say, read his book, the gospel of wealth. If you’re listening right now, kid, his book, the gospel of wealth, get the puck. It’s, it’s not expensive. It’s not a super big, you could read it in a weekend and I promise it’ll change the way you think because Carnegie had to work as a kid at that age.

He had to work it again, adjusted for inflation. We’re talking about in today’s currency, he made $36 and 25 cents per week. That’s insane. Yeah. So when he decided to do was he decided he would get to work early and beat everyone to work. Right. And he worked for a guy. Is his direct report there for awhile? Ran the AP wire. So in an Indian and, and that that thing, yeah, that was the AP wire back then. The shoes did it aided it. It, it. That’s my sound effect for that. So he, he, the guy who he worked for was an alcoholic. Now Carnegie knew this guy had good days and bad days. So Andrew White or Andrew. But Jason, what, why do you think that Andrew Carnegie, why do you think that he volunteered to work for free and to be taught how to run the machine for the alcoholic operator?

Why? Why, why do you think he agreed to do that? Oh, because he was gunning for that job. Yes. And so one day when the alcoholic guy called in and said, Hey, you know, I can’t make it or I’m sick or didn’t show up, whatever that looked like cause we’re back in the pre phone day. Yeah. But a Carnegie just stepped right up and ran the machine. So one day the boss comes by and sees a 13 year old running that machine. What do you think the boss thought to himself when he saw a 13 year old running that machine? It’s a sharp kid. There’s probably a lot of adults who still know how to use that thing. Right. He put in the time you put in the grind to expand his mind, to learn new skills, to pay new bills, any of the, he ended up becoming a partner with the owner of the company.

I liked the age of 17 that’s impressive. Now, ah, back to the fun factoids here about college. I just wanna make sure we’re giving you fair and balanced information and we’re hitting you with heavy, heavy facts on today’s show because the facts shall set you free. Forbes rights. Forbes reports the latest student loan debt crisis for 2019 shows how serious the student loan debt crisis has become for borrower, borrowers, all demographics and age across all demographics and age groups. There are more than 44 million borrowers, more than 10% of the American population who collectively now owe one point $5 trillion trillion dollars in student loan debt in the U S alone student loan debt is now the second highest consumer debt behind only mortgage debts. Nice. Now if you just think about this for a second, if you default on your mortgage, what can the bank do? They can take your house.

Okay, so if a student defaults on their loans, what can a bank do? Take their diploma. That’s what I’m saying. What are they going to do? We have it. We have work. We are creating a generation of educated entitled idiots. People that have gone to school for four years, they have a degree. They spent $200,000 on it and they want you to pay them more. They’re coming to your workplace. They’re 22 and they’re like, well, I need to earn at least 50,000 starting out according to what my college told me. Screw off professor, screw off college. Just because you sent me a kid with a history degree doesn’t mean that I want to hire him. So Jason, what are a lot of employers doing when it comes to making the decision? Should I hire someone with a degree or not a degree? When you have, when you have somebody who applies for a job, it just happened this Tuesday.

Yeah. Young lady graduated from a private school, has $200,000 in debt and she applies for a job. All right. All right. That’s the that’s the deal, right? Right. Ah, okay. So she applies for the job. She comes to it looks like she wants to work here and then she tells me I need to make at least $50,000 a year to go to, you know, to, to work for you because I have student what? Jason student loan debt. Right? Do I care? Well how would this Dwight customers care that she has that much debt? Not at all. Do we want to pay her 50 grand a year just because, just because she has a lot of debt, do we care? No, we want to pay the right person to do that specific job. So who do you think I hired someone with a degree or without a degree for that particular entry level position for that particular entry level position.

I would venture to say you hired the person without the degree and they probably impressed you more during their shadow day. Right there it is. There it is. People care about whether you have the skills to pay the bills, not a degree. And over time you’re going to see that more and more universities are, are, are, are putting out more and more students who have massive amounts of debt. And as an employer, you don’t want to hire somebody who needs an insane amount of money to start off at an entry level job. Think about this oral Roberts university oral Roberts university right now, according to the best research I can find on the internet, that’s where I went to school, oral Roberts university. I went there before I got kicked out of school. How much do you think it is per year to go there right now to be a full time student to attend oral Roberts?

Is oral Roberts more of a private university or, yes, I would assume per year. Let’s go upper sixties. No. Okay. It’s $41,054 on a steal of a deal per year. Now, if you wanted to go to Tulsa university and I know you do another private university private university where you can study history and humanities, virus, Mesopotamia, how much do you think it is to go to, to you right now? Per year. Oh, I’d say two 50 fifty five thousand fifty nine thousand four hundred and thirty five I have three friends that graduated from there. That’s terrifying. Oh my gosh. We won’t mention their names or put them on blast, but deal some money. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Read to us the third person who’s had some success. So part of the guy who, if you’re scoring at home, the guy who started the steel industry, have you ever heard of steel?

Yeah. It made the modern construction possible. The guy who started the steel industry, Andrew Carnegie and the banking industry are, we had a building with steel. They’re still right there. Look, there’s a steel beam. Oh, Andrew Carnegie’s here with us. The modern banking system. You go to a bank? I do. Okay. So the guy who influenced the modern banking industry and the steel industry, both did not have a college degree. Nope, let’s continue. But the guy worked, by the way, at the local coffee house. You’re going to, he probably has a degree in humanities and social service. Been serious.

Continue, continue. So number three, demand with no formal education who went on to become a us president. So Mr. Andrew Jackson went on to become an attorney, a us president, a general, a judge and a Congressman. Despite being homeschooled and having no formal education at all. Homeschooled, homeschooled, no formal education. Nope. Get out of here. And yet I have, I have a high ball glass at home with his face and name on it. Have you ever read a lot about him? I have not. Dude, that guy was an an incredibly, I should do a whole show about that guy. Was he the one that always got into duels with people? He’s a guy who had a, was so hardcore that there are so many stories now. We didn’t have social media back then. Yeah, but he was the American bad ACE. I can just say this guy dominated the game of life.

Now I have a story. Can I share with you a story real quick, Jason? Absolutely. Okay. This is a story that was produced published in inc magazine. You’ve heard of inc magazine there. Jason? I have. All right. The story is why your barista probably has a college degree. Now. Now this is interesting. It says, I have two degrees that the the author Suzanne Lucas writes, I have two degrees, a bachelor’s and a master’s. I wrote a lots of papers and did lots of math. I sang in choir and completely bombed a Hebrew class. What I didn’t learn to do was make coffee or speak Hebrew, but that’s my own fault. In fact, coffee making coffee making wasn’t even offered a, an offered course at the universities I attended. Now, if you could go through four years of undergrad and paint a bachelor’s degree without learning how to make coffee, why on earth does tall desk say that they prefer a college degree for a job as a part time barista here, our requirements must be willing to work a part time schedule. One plus years of barista experience maintained confidentiality, excellent inner tr interpersonal skills team player excited too and it goes on. OD explained that this is crazy. Many, many, many, many, many, many, many baristas all across this country have a degree. Why?

That’s a great question because if you have a degree in history and Hebrew, nobody cares, right? And so you got to find a job and you need to find some sort of job out there. And so people were like, well, I guess I’ll get a job as a barista. And there you go. That’s what’s going on. Now if you again, had an appraiser go with you to college to evaluate your college weekend, and they say, so what do you want to do? And I don’t want to have to study Hebrew in history. If I was your appraiser, this is what I would say it. Let’s pretend Jason, we’re going to your favorite college. Yeah. So Mike, so Jason, you want to go to T? You buddy, you want to go to you? Sure. What do you want to do man? And what do you want to do with the degree you get?

You’re studying history now on a dance. You’re getting a degree in history and Hebrew and a personal finance, whatever. What do you want to do? What do you think most college students say? By the way, when they’re asked that question, if they’re going to to you, they want to be a engineer or a petroleum engineer, get out of here. No, that’s like, that’s like the hot export. I’m an argue with you per se. This is what I hear a lot. Cause I used to speak at colleges to go, I really don’t know. I’m trying to find myself right now. So I’m just getting my basics right. Get out of here. You’re never going to use that general knowledge. It’s completely a waste of time. So all I’m saying is the appraiser should say, you know what we’re going to do? You’re not going to go to college this year because it doesn’t your, your degree, your career focus doesn’t appraise.

It’s not equal to what you’re spending. You know, it’s not a good investment right now. That’d be such a [inaudible]. You need to go do something else, you know, become a barista, barista, dig, dig ditches or something. And while you’re digging ditches, think about what you want to do when you have something that makes sense. Come on back. Right. It’s irresponsible till it’s isn’t irresponsible to give somebody $59,000 of debt hugely. And then to steer them saying, Hey buddy, you gotta do this. Your future depends on it. Hey dude, not teach them how to do it. So then that first year that they want to spend undeclared $59,000, I really just don’t know what I want to do. Oh, it’s not a, it’s not an Jason. We have, we have, we have, we have a lot. We have a lot to uncover on today’s show cause we’re talking about the top 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree career.

What’s the next one? What number are we on? So we are officially on number four. Number four for your scoring at home. Okay. Continue. So the high school dropout who became the multimillion dollar princess of pretzels. Oh, so Ann Byler, we’ll go with Byler. When Island Byler Island went on to start aunt Annie or auntie Anne’s pretzels. You’ve seen them in the mall? Oh yeah. I’ve had them a couple of times and she became a millionaire is why I’m having dropped out of high school. What Anne’s figure. She’s probably disappointed now that she missed out on the once in a lifetime experience. So many graduates with a hundred plus thousand dollars of debt enjoyed. Don’t you hear people say that all the time as a justification? We’re going to college. They say it’s the experience. Oh yeah, it’s a mass time to meet [inaudible] I learned about myself. I don’t know about you, but I feel like I meet a lot of people every day and I’m not at college.

Yeah. I meet more people than what I want to know. That’s true all the time. You know, we have, you know, we have great people at elephant in the room, our men’s grooming lounge. Yeah. And if you’re out there today and you’re saying, I’m struggling to meet good people, I would encourage you to go the elephant in the room one time out there. Let me tell you why. Cause it’s kind of like a country club for men’s hair. Oh yeah. Costs a little bit more than the average haircut. You know, it’s not sports clips or great clips. It’s a higher end experience. So the kind of man who’s going to pay for that higher end cut at modern rustic decor. Jason, we have some great members. We do. We really do. Haven’t you made a lot of doctors, entrepreneurs, home foam flippers, real estate investors, bankers, petroleum engineers?

Don’t you meet a lot of great people there at elephant room? I haven’t met more people across vast realms of different jobs just at that place then I would have at college. So if you’re out there listening right now and you’re trying to meet good people, Oh yeah, just send some to work and it’s like a, as a assistant manager for elephant room [inaudible] you’ve got to get in there. You can make up to 30 bucks an hour if you’re selling memberships properly, you meet a lot of people and then you give me a two week notice and you piece out and they’ll work for that guy. I’m just telling you that’s a great way to meet people. Avoid the college debt. Back to you. Jason, who is the next success story we’re going to talk about today, who does not have a degree aren’t. So number five is the man who became the world’s best photographer with no formal training.

So I don’t know if you are into world famous photographers or not, but if you are, you should know who Angela Adams is, right? He is arguably the world’s best photographer despite not graduating from a college of liberal arts. And I wonder if he knows how to take the lens cap off. Oh, that with the college degree. I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t know. I can’t say though that a guy who was known as being the, the guru to develop modern, the modern film approach. We have that modern approach to lighting and photography. That guy did not have a degree. That’s crazy. Do you know what’s hilarious about Angela Adams? What’s that? We’re talking about how college is for your parties. So that buddy, I was visiting in Norman, the irony was they had, so I got there the day after they had it like a crazy party.

So the entire living room is in disarray, but hanging on the wall is this giant black and white Ansell Adams piece. And they were so in love with that thing. I’m like, you guys are gonna come out of here $200,000 in debt. And he was not where you are right now. This is all a deep thought here. There’s a George Mason university economics professor, OK. Eight who wrote an article, if you get chance to read the articles called college is wasting time and money according to George Mason university economics professor. This is an economics professor from George Mason university who is doing an interview and article here for the good folks at business insider. And he says, this is crazy. This is, this is, it’s, it’s wild. If you read this article to blow your mind, it says, I think the main thing that we can do first, this is Brian.

Brian says, I think the main thing that we can do is first of all, look at attendance in college. About 40% of the students are not there. Well, students aren’t there. It just goes look at their face. I mean, they genuinely look, seem painfully bored. Josh Barrow writes, hello, I’m Josh Barrow, senior editor of business insider and I’m here with Brian Kaplan, who’s an economics professor at George Mason university of Virginia. And he’s the author of the case against education. Why the, why the education system is a waste of money. So Brian Kaplan says, no, it is true that people who finish college get a good deal. People who drop out. On the other hand, it’s much clear that it’s worth their while. But the main thing that I talk about in this book is that it’s not really a good investment from a social point of view because the main reason why people get this big wage premium isn’t primarily because they’re actually learning a lot of useful, useful skills in school.

They, main reason I say is that they are showing off. They’re jumping through hoops, they’re impressing employers. Selfishly speaking, it doesn’t really matter why your degree pays, but from the point of view of taxpayers, it means a lot of law. And he goes on and on talking about how going to college is essentially it’s, it’s a waste of time. You’re jumping through a bunch of hoops, you’re looking, you’re trying to impress people by, by showing up for four years in a row. But at the end of the day, every Hill student looks bored. They’re not willing practical skills and yeah, they get a sheet of paper. So we charge you a hundred grand for a sheet of paper so that you can impress a future employer that you jumped through some hoops, but they’re not learning anything and they look painfully bored. And many of the students don’t actually show up to class. So Jason, back to you. All right. So number six is the man who became the CEO of paramount and the CEO of Fox without a college degree. Get out of here. Oh yeah. So his name is Barry Diller and he became a billionaire and a media mogul known for a starting the Fox broadcasting company, yet he did not have a college degree. How’s it possible? Well, he started working in a mail room of a Williams Morris agency. And real quick. You mean a room filled with males? Yes, a mail room. [inaudible]

Surely it can be serious. I am serious. And don’t call me Shirley.

Okay. Continue with as we started working there after he dropped out of UCLA, but to his credit, he did survive three weeks of non practical education at UCLA. Nice. So after three weeks he drops out continuum. And so throughout Dylan’s career at paramount, while serving as the chairman and chief executive officer, the company released hit TV shows including cheers, taxi, Laverne and Shirley hit films including Greece, Saturday night fever, Raiders of the lost Ark, Indiana Jones, temple of doom, a Beverly Hills cop, et cetera. Dealer is worth an estimated three point $3 billion. Okay. He’s doing well. You know, I was telling you, I always tell people you know, this guy in particular, he doesn’t, he didn’t have a backup plan. [inaudible] Put for three point $3 billion. I’m confident you could buy a degree. You can always go back. Oh, you can buy, you can buy all the history degrees.

Those are kind of a lot life tips for you. Now back to you, Jason, who’s our next success story, who did not have a college degree. That is the prolific polymath, who saved America helped to create it and who became world renowned inventor despite not earning a college degree. And that was Benjamin Franklin. Are you saying that Benjamin Franklin, the guy who invented the, what about bifocals and lightning rod and the the flexible catheter, the guy that helped raise the money needed to beat the Brits. The Brits. Yeah, no degree. Tiny glasses and all continue reading. So Ben Franklin invented, I’m sorry, Benjamin Franklin. Oh, gotta be formal. Invented the Franklin stove, lightening rods, bifocals

And other assorted inventions while also serving as one of the founding fathers of the United States and yet did not have a college degree. Okay, we continue. Jason, what number are we on now? We’re on number eight. Number eight, the old Cho. Oh, the OTO. So the billionaire boss who founded the clear channel media without a college degree. That was, wait a minute. So we’re saying that the guy who invented the modern stove technology that was used for the great majority of people during his time in bifocals didn’t have a degree. Nope, this changes everything. Okay. Continue. Sue. The founder of clear channel is Billy Joe Macombs and apparently he also went by the name red become or he became a billionaire but did not have a degree and that is exactly why he does not get invited to any of those fancy alumni gatherings, which he would be too busy to attend anyway because he is counting his money.

Okay, well again, if he was count as money, $1, $2, $3, he’s worth billions of dollars and he didn’t have a college degree. Who is up next on this list of 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree, Jason, so that is billionaire Billy, the man who started the little company called Microsoft without a college degree. Are you saying that bill Gates didn’t have a college degree? Nope. Get out of here. He did not. Okay. Yeah. I have a little fun factoid here for me, for you and from the good folks at Forbes. Forbes reports that now 43% of college graduates are taking jobs that don’t require a decree. 43% that’s almost half. Oh yeah, that’s interesting. Okay. Back to you. All right, so the next one, number 10 is the powerful perfume powerhouse who does not have a college degree in that is Coco Chanel. Can we go back and read more about bill Gates?

Yes. I to read some more about bill Gates. Okay. So if you’re not familiar with them, if you’ve been living in a cave for the past 20 years, he successfully started Microsoft without a college degree. It says on here is this estimated net worth really 103 point $8 billion. That is true. Holy carp. Whoo. Shanda Shunda. That right there is a, you know, I have a sound clip here that I think the kid articulate how I feel about that. Let me, let me, let me cue it up here. I hate when the sand clips aren’t readily available. But I’m, I’m a, I have a new sound effects pack that I’m adding soon. Let me, let me get this going. Here we go. Oh,

Bill’s thinking [inaudible] Oh yes. [inaudible] I feel

Like bill Gates can sleep well today knowing that everything’s going to be all right. I don’t know what I mean, every single day he just wakes up and goes, ah, you got a fee, then everything’s going to be Whoa ride pill. Are you okay? Ah, Oh God, appeal it. He didn’t go back and get your degree. Everything’s going up. Okay. So I’m just saying, if you’re out there today and you’re asking yourself, do you need a college degree? I would say the answer is probably no. It could be yes, but probably no. And, and so, Jason, back to you. What is the next list? Next person on our list of success stories? The top 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree. Yeah. So number 10 is I’m Coco Chanel. You know her, you know the name, you see it everywhere. Ah, another example of somebody who did not have to go to college. Really? Yeah. No to call. No, no college at all. Nope. Okay. Who’s next? So the man without a degree who started his chicken empire based in Kentucky. Oh nice. Oh yeah. So you know him, you’ve seen him, you love him. Colonel Harland Sanders dropped out of seventh grade and went to live and work on a farm that was located near his home. Quick time out pop quiz. Who was the person who started the modern banking system that did not have a degree? A P G Nini. Really

Just on razors. I know his name. What’s his real name? Armadale. Armadale. Let me get it queued up here. I want to get it. I can’t, I can’t move on. I want to go to the court. Come on, give your card. Gary Dale, he started picking off. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Now back to you. Sorry. Sorry. I just had, I had to do that. Now we can move on. No, that made my day. Okay, now we’re talking about the kernel. Yeah. So Harland Sanders at the age of 13, left his home and secured a job painting horse carriages in the growing city of Indianapolis. And at the age of 14, he decided to move to Indiana to become a farm hand. And at the age of 65, Sanders decided to franchise his secret recipe for that Kentucky fried chicken for the first time to notch Brunner by the name of Pete Harmon who was from South Lake, Utah. Now I have a sound clip here. Some of the listeners at home have their worries about Colonel Sanders. So I’m going to queue up the audio of what a one of our listeners called in. And we have a very thoughtful call screening system we have here.

Okay. And I can’t verify whether this audio is actually from one of our callers. Oh, it could be the wrong sound club doctors. He’s out of town right now. So I don’t know. I’m just going to cue it up. Let me see if this is a well known Fox Shenae gym, that there’s a secret to say it. You have the five wealthiest people in the world known as [inaudible], who done everything in the world, including the newspapers and meat. Try annually or the secret country mansion in Colorado. No dads. The motto is, so who’s in this pen Tavern? The queen [inaudible], the Getty’s, the Childs.

I’m Colonel Sanders. Before he went [inaudible] I hated the Colonel with his weed. PDI, smug. Look on his face. Ooh, you’re gonna Bay. My chicken. Okay.

So apparently not everyone’s a big fan of the Colonel, but we did. They knew we were going to be talking about, I don’t know. This is, this is, this is part of the Illuminati. Maybe people are reading my mind. Okay. Back to you. Alright, so onto number 12. What’s, keep reading more about the call. Okay. No, we, we, we need to know more about the kernel. Yep. So after he franchised, within just a year of selling the product, he was able to triple his sales with 75% of sales increasing as a result of Colonel Sanders fried chicken. Yeah. At the age of 73 and in the year of 1964, Colonel Sanders sold his company for $2 million to his partner. And it was basic Kentucky and it was headed by John Y. Brown jr who was at the time 29 years old and who would later become the governor of Kentucky.

It’s fun fact. $2 million in 1964 would have been 16 billion. 525 million. 354,000 and I’m sorry, I’m throwing a large number at you there. I believe it would be 16, 16 million. No way. It looks like billion. Let’s look at it. You got the carry. Oh, that’s a, someone looked that up. That 16 million. 520,000. I think he, I mean that, I think you’re looking at this, this, that could be 16. Yeah. 16 million. 16 good job Colonel. So the Colonel did all right. He did pretty great. I got a few then. Hey, were things going up beat y’all right fricking Kurt. Oh, okay. Jason, back to you. Who is our next super successful success story? Who you know, did not have a college degree, so that would be the wonderful Wendy’s founder. So Dave Thomas was born in 1932 and as of 1969 or, and yet as of 1969 he believed that he could still not find a good hamburger in Columbus, Ohio.

Really? yeah. So despite not having a college degree at the age of 37, Dave Thomas started his now legendary Wendy’s franchise. David decided to name his business after his daughter Wendy, who was at the time just eight years old due to a, his quick growth into 1000 plus store franchise in 1989 the same year that San Francisco giants competed against the Oakland athletics in major league baseball earthquake that year. That was an unbelievable world series giants versus the Oakland athletics. The earthquake has shaked the Bay area destroyed a lot of buildings. It was, it was wild, wild time. So Dave Thomas then decided to become the a company spokesperson at the age of 57 57. Oh yeah. So again, I mean, w did you know that? Did you know that Dave Thomas didn’t have a degree? I did not. I didn’t know who Dave was for the longest time.

Did, have you ever been to Wendy’s? I, have you ever thought about not going there because the owner doesn’t have a degree? Never crossed my mind. Have you ever been to a Kentucky fried chicken? I have. Not in a long time. Has it ever occurred to you that the owner didn’t have a degree? You probably know. I assumed he didn’t give. You’re going to KFC but okay, continue. It will continue. One. What do you got? So number 12 is the man who cofounded Dreamworks with Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg. Their real quick, we had 12 or 13 Oh 13, 13. Some folks are scoring at home. I’m scoring, I’m right here. I’m just keeping track of, we have 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a degree. And I wanna make sure I, we keep track here. Continue. So David Geffen dropped out of college after completing only one year and yet went on to co-found one of the most successful Hollywood content creation companies of all time.

And again, that was Dreamworks. Really? Yeah, with no degree, no degree with no degree. How could he even know how to take the lens cap off as you pointed out earlier? That is a great question. How they teach that and like figured it out. Oh, Frick, okay. Continue. Oh, also he’s worth an estimated eight point $4 billion. You say billion. Oh, that that time it was billion. This is written out so I didn’t mess it up. You know? I think, I think Carlton Pearson, the former a of Angeles has something he’d like to say about that. A little encouragement for David Geffen who doesn’t have a degree. I think [inaudible].

Here we go. Oh yeah. Cause David’s wondering what’s my, I was wondering what’s, what’s my fallback position? What’s David Geffen’s his fallback position. Oh, everything’s going to be all right. Come on, try mission. Stick with me down the right

David Geffen’s pulling all nighter right now. Staying up, wondering how am I gonna support myself if my career doesn’t work out? Okay. Continue. All right. So on two 14, the man whose passion was more than just a hobby, despite not having a college degree. Another David David Greene has gone on to experience tremendous success. David took his initial $600 investment and famously turn that into billions as the founder of hobby lobby. Oh, have you ever been to hobby lobby? I’ve been there so many times. Really? Wow. What kind of stuff are you buying? A hobby lobby? Well I go because the fiance loves to decorate, so I just kinda tag along silly yarn. Just get out of here. You go there and buy something. I used to go there and get a, all of my sketchbooks and my pins back when I was a doodler. Do you do you ever go in there and buy a you know, glue glue ’em I don’t you ever go in there and buy corn dog?

I wish, you know. So now it, guess how much he’s worth as of today? A little fun fact for you as of today. So David Green, the founder of hobby lobby, he started with $600 and no college degree. How much is he worth today? If you had to guess, just Ooh, Ooh, just wow. Let me go to the precise decimal. 3.7 billion. 8.3 billion. Oh, in my face. In your face, David. Wow. In your face. That’s impressive. Okay. Continue. All right, so on two 15, Mr. David carp without a college degree, David Carphone onto form and found the short form blogging platform, excuse me, that went on to be named a tumbler at the age of 15, David decided to drop out of school in 2007 and at the age of 21, David launched tumbler in February of 2007 in may of 2013

When David was just 27 years old. Yahoo is one of the [inaudible] or sorry, Yahoo at the company. There we go. Yahoo announced that it was acquiring Tumblr for one point $1 billion. I love that you thought that I wrote Yahoo will sometimes just throw curve balls. I was, Oh my God, you got to go with, I love it. You think that I know. That’s what’s pretty funny. I know. That’s, that just shows you how unpredictable my riding style is or how dead. Yahoo. Right. Okay. Continue. Alright, so 16 David org, org, org vacuum guy. Oh yeah. So David org is a college dropout and a multimillionaire, founder of the org vacuum company created or he created vacuums that have sucked the dirt out of carpets for years. The company now employs more than 1500 people at its retail stores and is headquartered in Nashville, Tennessee.

Good job, David Orrick with no degree. He continues to have success. How is it possible for these top 73 entrepreneurs success stories to not have a degree? Think about it. Hobby lobby, that’s a big company. A lot of us go there every week, maybe once a month. No degree. The modern banking system, no degree. Dreamworks so many. I’ll have seen Dreamworks movies, no degree. Wendy’s, no degree. Colonel Sanders, no degree. There are just so many things. Coco Chanel, no degree. Ah, the bifocals. No degree. There’s so many things that have impacted us on a daily basis that have been created by people without a college degree. So I ask you, do you need it to, do you need a decree? And perhaps you might say, you know, I don’t know. Maybe I do. Maybe I don’t. Maybe I need to hear 73 entrepreneurs success stories about people who don’t have a degree, but do have success before I can make the decision.

And I say, I agree. Let’s continue. All right, so on to 17 Debbie fields, despite not having a college degree, little Debbie created a huge company by the name of Mrs. Fields. Chocolate, a chocolate chippery. That is huge. Think about that Debbie field. No degree. How I just, it’s unbelievable to me how this false truth has been created. This, this narrative, this an overwhelming cultural momentum that says, thou shout, go to college. You’re almost considered to be a heretic if you tell us when not to go to college. Oh for 100% when I tell people they should drop out, they think that I’m a madman every time in the office when somebody drops out of college, what do I do? Jason, you’ve watched this process. You celebrate, right? When people look at me like, ah, ah, like whenever I joke and someone will say, should I go to college?

I said, no, drop out. Convinced [inaudible] in, in, in his wife a million to drop out of college recently. Now they’re winning the game of life. They are. But so many people were like, are you kidding me? Are you encouraging someone to drop out of college? I encouraged Andrew Andrew to drop it a college. Now he has a rental house. True. He’s a married guy. He’s got his first rental house. He wife was saving like half of their income at 21. He is far past everybody who is twice as old as him that got a degree or two degrees. We have so many clients that will come in here who are earning significantly less money than Andrew who is 21 years old. I mean, it’s unbelievable. How non essential a degree is. Now, Jason, what’s, what’s the next entrepreneur success story? Who has had success without a college degree?

Number 18, Dewitt Wallace. Do what founded reader’s digest despite not having earned his college degree. You’re saying the guy who started reader’s digest didn’t have a college degree? No. And then you even had a little note in here that it took you three weeks to alphabetize this because you dropped out of college as well. So if you’re listening here, I just want to make sure you’re getting this idea. This list of 73 top entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree didn’t come about a, I dunno where I had to create this list. I had to research the list. I did put the list together, but the reason why this podcast ranks highly in Google the reason why all my businesses rank highly in Google, the reason why you’re going to find this podcast highly ranked in Google this particular show is because I know how Google works.

I found out the practical skills needed to pay the bills. I found out how search engine optimization and domination is possible, and in my newest book, search engine domination that I did with Jonathan Kelly, you can learn all the skills needed to pay the bills as well. But the guy who started reader’s digest wrote good content that people wanted to read. It was interesting, which is why he did well. He found a problem that the world wanted to pay for the solution for it. He found a problem that the world had that they were willing to pay to solve. That’s what David Orica did with the vacuum. That’s what, that’s what he did. That’s what Debbie fields did with their cookies. That’s what David Greene did with hobby lobby. He found a problem that the world was willing to pay to solve. If you want to become a successful entrepreneur, Jason, all they have to do is all we have to do is find a problem that the world is willing to pay us to solve.

Correct. And solve it, right? Yup. So let’s think about elephant in the room, our men’s grooming lounge that you have managed and you’ve worked, worked with for years, or the clients you work with, with elephant in the room. What’s the core problem that we are solving for men? Hair cuts because it’s incredibly hard to do it yourself and why are we succeeding with that? How do we cut hair differently than because of there’s other people that cut hair. Yeah. How do we beat other businesses with our hair cut experience? Well, we train our staff every single week so that way they’re never stuck. We make sure that you have a booked appointment time so you know exactly what or you know exactly what hour, what day, paraffin, hand dip, hot towel treatment, the music, the sights, the sounds, the smells, the free beverages. The whole I’m beyond is better than the average haircut.

Therefore, people are willing to pay Wendy’s. They’re making a superior food than what was previously available in the fast food realm. That’s why it worked. You’ve just got to find a problem that the world is willing to pay you to solve. Now let’s move on. Who’s our next success story, our next successful entrepreneur without a college degree. So number 19 is Dustin Moskowitz. Okay. And this guy tell us about this beautiful man. He is credited as being one of the founders of a little company called Facebook, the Facebook, the Facebook thinking different than Facebook. The Facebook. I think if it sounds that sounds more exciting to me. If it’s a kind of an Italian theme. Yeah, keep going. So on here, I mean it’s got everybody uses his or they, they use the platform Facebook. So last night and there was, I bet he wishes he would have stayed in school at Harvard and got that degree. Is that name the what? What’s his name again? Dustin Moskovitz to me sounds like he’s Russian or something. I know Moskovitz or musta V Vich. Let me, let me read it again and let’s see. This feels more like

Kevin read again.

Dustin Moskovitz.

Yes.

It feels like it fits kind of the Russian theme. I don’t know. Somebody out there can educate me as to the origin of that name. Let’s get, let’s continue. Let’s kidding. By the way. I’m Dustin, one of the original founders of Facebook. Do you want to guess net worth wise, how much he’s worth today? If you had to just guess the net worth of this guy right now, and again, you, I mean a lot of people don’t know his name. How would you think he’s worth right now? I’ll answer that with a quote from the Facebook movie, the social network, Justin Timberlake. When he says, you know, it’s cooler than $1 million. Hmm. $1 billion. How much do you think he’s worth? I would say fall 4 billion. 13.4 and my face every time. Well, that is insane. He’s doing well. He’s doing well. Okay, let’s move on to number 20 number 20 yet another successful entrepreneur without a college degree. So that is a Frank Lloyd Wright. Frank became one of the most prolific architects of all time. Frank the tank. Frank the tank. Oh, he’d rent. Really? He had two first names. I know I researched this, but think about that. That guy’s a a claimed. What? What does he do for a living? So he is without a doubt the most prolific architect of all time in human history. There it is and he has,

He doesn’t have a duty. Doesn’t have a degree. Okay, we’re moving on to a 21 who, who do we have next? Number two number 21 such a fancy sounding name. Fredrick Henry Royce. Oh, choice rice. Oh and no wonder because the man who created one of the most precision focused engine in automated or an automated manufacturing companies of all time, AKA rolls Royce dropped out of elementary school. So he does not have, think about this again. The man who created one of the most precision focused engine and automotive manufacturing companies, rolls Royce. You’ve heard of the engines, you’ve heard of the vehicles, you’ve seen them. Rolls Royce,

The guy who found that it dropped at an elementary school. Unbelievable. Jason, what do we have a up next here? What do we have up next? We’ve got George Eastman. [inaudible] 22 is George Eastman. George was the man who developed a worldwide brand and was known as being the pioneer of popular photography and motion picture. Despite not having a degree. Okay. Well let’s continue. Let’s continue. Who else do you have next year? My friend H Wayne. Who? Zynga. Oh, this is Wayne. Hi Zynga. Hi Zynga. Yeah. Wayne high zinger. Yeah. Okay. Continue. So Wayne is the man who created waste management, inc AutoNation and was famous for being a co owner of blockbuster video throughout his career. Wayne has also been a co owner of the national football league Miami dolphins, the Florida Panthers and the national hockey league, the Florida Marlins of the major league baseball and has also helped launch a national video rental chain. Blockbuster. Do you remember blockbuster? I fondly remember blockbuster. What was your favorite blockbuster memory? The fact that there are certain days you could go in and get like two PlayStation games for the price of one. So that way my mom didn’t get mad at me when I wanted to get choosy, but they always had like really awesome snacks to go with the movies. Let’s, let’s let this imagine

The video store. It would have a great selection, right? Over 10,000 videos, three evening rentals. So no rush, no hassle. Check 24 hour quick drop. Return open late every night. We’ll the perfect video store. [inaudible] New one. Mr video is popping up all over the country. Yes. There’s one near you.

Blockbuster video. Wow. What a difference. That was the hook man. Back in the day when they were hot, they were hot. Hey, we’re so hot now. Not so hot. Okay, can tenue who are we talking about next number 24 is Henry Ford, the legendary founder of Ford motor company transformed the way American automobiles are produced yet because he didn’t have a college degree. You can be sure that his father-in-law never respected him. I’m pretty positive that Henry Ford didn’t get any respect from me. You know it. A lot of people say how often people ask you, Jason, do you have a degree so often? How often? Like when it comes to like consulting clients, they’ll ask me immediately. Really? [inaudible] they do. They do every time I tell them in an unrelated field that has helped me in no way, shape or form. That’s really, it’s you. People ask that all the time. One because of my age. And then two, because of, I guess the title. So they’re just curious, like it’s like, it’s part of the vetting process, but I more than I would like to admit. Ah, it’s crazy. I didn’t know they did that to you. So you, and you tell them like, well, actually I went to a culinary school. Yeah. And they’re like, Oh wow. Am I cool guys? I’m not cooking. As you can see, I, I got

Nowhere with that. Hmm. Okay. I still love to cook, but I have a Ford Henry Ford quote for you. I want to cue up here. This is a Henry Ford. He says, anyone who stops learning is old, whether at 20 or 80 anyone who keeps learning stays young. I agree with that. And I think there’s a lot of people that get a degree and then we just kind of stop learning after getting the degree. And all the successful entrepreneurs that I hang out with, these people are they, they learn, man. They’re always learning. It’s there. They’re thinkers and they’re doers. They’re not just thinkers, they’re thinkers and they’re doers. And so I wanna read a notable quotable to the listeners out there from the late great Steven jobs. Steve jobs, the man who was a legendary cofounder of Apple. He writes here, he says, the doers are the major thinkers, the people that really create the things that change this industry are both the thinker and do are in one person, one person, one person.

You gotta be a thinker and to do or you’ve got to continue to learn. I’m not talking, I’m not advocating, not learning. I’m advocating not going to college to learn things that you don’t need to learn. W college we just had, we had a big crop of great people attend our most recent a group interview on Wednesday and I asked him, I said, how many of you were taught how search engines work at college? By show of hands. These are people with marketing degrees applying for a marketing position. Now, Jason, what percentage of people on the planet start their search for products and services using the internet? 100% almost everyone I know searches on Google for everything. Right? But they don’t teach it. Nope. It’s the most effective kind of marketing possible, but they don’t teach on the college campus and why not? We’ll actually one of my clients asked him that yesterday.

They’re like, well, you guys have taught me a lot about SEO. And he goes, it’s funny, as I had never heard the term SEO until I started working with you guys. He goes, I’ve got a degree. I’ve took marketing classes in being top in Google articles, podcasts. None of this ever came up. I’m like, yeah. Right. And what’s crazy, what it is? Here’s what’s crazy on the book we just released called search engine dominant domination. Hit number two on the Amazon bestsellers list for those categories. Hit number two overall on the Amazon bestsellers list, again, the book called search engine domination, a hit number two. Why do you think that book was, was well received? What, why do you think people are buying the book search engine domination? Well, it’s like you said, it’s a, it’s a problem that people are willing to pay you to solve.

People want to know how to do it, man. People want to know how to do it and they don’t teach it on the college campus in note, and you guys make it so easy, they don’t teach on the college campuses how to sell anything either. Why? Why don’t they teach how to sell anything on college campuses? I have no idea what’s that claim. So I’m telling you, if you’re out there today and you feel stuck, I would encourage you right now today, go out there and purchased a search engine optimization domination book, search engine optimization domination. Get that book. That book is a powerful tool that that thing will help you become a marketing wizard. Jason, who’s the next entrepreneur that we’re covering here? Who’s a the next entrepreneur who is a success story without a college degree. That would be number 25 Henry J Kaiser. So Henry Kaiser never graduated from high school.

Yup. He never got a diploma. Come on yet he became the founder of Kaiser aluminum. It turns out a lot of people use aluminum. Turns out, right? Yes. Or as Andy wood said, Ella minium. Ella minium. Yeah. Is that what he says? Ask Andy to say aluminum minium. Andy, one of our good time, a longtime friends and one of my first employees at DJ connection is now a consultant in the medical industry and we’re going to call up dr Tim Johnson because we’re talking about 73 successful entrepreneurs without a degree, but he is an ophthalmologist and has a degree, so I thought we’d get one guy on the show who has a degree who is a success story because he needed a degree. Let’s see, we can get on the phone here. We’re calling them via Skype. Is he going to answer?

Hello?

Go ahead, caller. First time. Longtime Tim Johnson. How are you sir?

Good, huh?

Hey, I’m doing well. I’m excited. We’re, we’re doing a show about the top 73 entrepreneur success stories without a college degree and I thought, you know, let’s get the top entrepreneurs success story I could think of who has a degree, the ophthalmologist, Dr. Timothy Johnson from Tuscaloosa a, sir, how long do we have you before you have to get back to dad duties?

A 10 or 20 minutes.

Did he say an hour and a half, 10 or 20 minutes? All I heard was duties. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Here you go. Now let’s, let’s get into the next one. Next entrepreneur’s success. Troy, Jason, you can read the, about the entrepreneur’s success story and then Dr. Timothy Johnson can tell you as to whether he’s ever heard of the company. All right. So Heiman golden is a college degree free founder of the billion dollar Snapple beverage company. Hmm. Dr. Timothy Johnson. What? Say you, have you ever heard of Snapple?

I have.

Do you ever consume to say you like Snapple?

I don’t, I’ve never had it.

But you’re aware of Snapple, right?

I am aware of Snapple. Yeah.

Snapples what made rush Limbaugh famous? A lot of people don’t realize this rush was on the, in a few select markets. And Snapple was the first big endorsement deal he got that was willing to invest in him and every market. Oh. And now rush Limbaugh’s pulling in like 85 million bucks a year right now. Good job. Rush Limbaugh, good job. Snapple a Dr. Timothy Johnson. From your perspective, you have a degree. What kinds of things can, did they not teach you in ophthalmology school? When you’re becoming an ophthalmologist that maybe you wish they would have covered

Anything outside the eye? Business. How to deal with angry patients, how to deal with staff, how to get Google reviews, who clay Clark is.

A lot of them. They don’t,

They don’t, they don’t teach any of that though. I mean, seriously, the hardest part of managing your a ophthalmology clinic is what’s the hardest part of it now that we’ve teamed up together here the last few months. And so now marketing’s not a problem anymore. And hopefully a lot of the systems are getting easier. But what’s the toughest part of managing an ophthalmology clinic? I think the emotions of the staff, like trying to keep, you know, everybody’s human and you’ve got, the more humans you add, the more complicated the system gets. And so it’s harder to juggle those emotions and help keep people motivated. And then you have patient emotions and surgery is not perfect and medicine is not perfect. And so it’s just,

Why do you want a complex? Why do you feel like they don’t cover that in college and medical school?

I think cause they don’t know it.

That’s what I think too. I think if they did know it, they wouldn’t be teaching those classes. That’s my take. I think there’s a lot of great people who mean will, who are teaching. But I think if you can’t compete in the world of capitalism, you hide behind the industrial complex known as college.

It’s an industrial complex. That’s true.

I know a lot of people that cannot hack it as entrepreneurs. So they went back to college and now they are teaching marketing. I’ve seen that so many times. Jason, I’ve seen so many people that are highly educated who tried to start their own business and it failed and then they go back and onto the college campus and teach the things I learned. Why failing, how to F, you know, while failing my business. And I just, it’s whose Jason did you go? You went to two years of college? So w yeah, so two years combined. So a full semester at at Tulsa community college. And then a year and a half. I want to ask you the first question I want to ask dr Timothy next to you. He can one up you. What was the most esoteric eh, that means it’s intended for, are likely to be still understood by only a small number of people.

What, what was the most esoteric, the most vague, the most non-applicable most worthless class that you had while attending college? Jason was the class where you thought, really, why am I learning this? So, so Tim, I don’t know if you know this, but I went to culinary school. So you asked what the most esoteric class was, how it doesn’t apply to the field of culinary philosophy. Really had a mandatory philosophy class, which I loved, cause I love that stuff. At the same time, I thought, there’s no freaking way this is ever gonna apply to this field. Excuse me, I’m a chef. I’d like to get a caterer and I’d like to hire you guys too and get some burritos delivered to my office. Well, have you ever thought about what Plato would think? I mean, he was like, get outta here. I was like, okay. So dr doctor, Dr. Timothy Johnson here from Tuscaloosa, tell us what was the most vague esoteric class and or classes that you experienced while attending school?

Probably two. I had to take a look, some feminist studies of Latin American women, and then I actually enjoyed this. I took a class on quantum mechanics. Yes. and so I don’t, nobody knows what that is.

Oh, w can you explain quantum mechanics? Yeah. Lightness.

I said, if you understand quantum mechanics, you don’t understand quantum mechanics. So

Interesting. Oh my gosh. That is so funny. Okay, so what is, what is the next one, Jason, that is Ingvar. Kamprad yeah. Yup. Awesome. The [inaudible], here’s the billionaire founder of Ikea. He did not go to college and he’s also dyslexic, I think. I think the listeners won’t know who you’re talking about unless you say [inaudible]. Could you try that and say [inaudible] come Friday. Hi ed. It’s a high ed. You try this. It’s a [inaudible]. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a you know, it’s a satellite crowd. That’s David Hasselhoff. Tried tennis a little English. I get a deeper is Ingvar no go higher. No higher. Higher. Try it. It’s liberating. It’s like stretching right? The second time training me into a corner. That accident. I feel like I’m having a stroke. Right. Dr. Timothy Johnson, have you ever been to Ikea?

I have. They have great meatballs.

Well w Hey, don’t rip it. I’ll put this on the show notes. This is, this is true. A enlighten the listeners out there who don’t know about the meatballs, cause remember Ingvar is Swedish and he started Ikea and he brought the Swedish meatballs to the table. Can you explain to listeners Dr. Johnson kind of the workflow or the layout of Ikea and the meatballs and what makes it successful in your mind?

I think then they say that they basically all the food of that cost and it’s such a long like maze, the furniture that they want to make sure you’re nourished and you can stay, you can stay there all night.

Well, what they do, I’ve done an entire show about this guy. Way too much research on it. But here’s what happens is they make you follow like a maze. So everyone has to go to the store the same way. Oh. So at other stores you’re free to kind of go here or there. They sort of force you. The flow of traffic is to go to this maze. So you have to see everything and then it’s like impossibly cheap, but you have to build it yourself. That’s awesome. And so there’s all sorts of YouTube videos and online jokes about how w men trying to put together the furniture. They bought it Ikea until you’re stuck in this like furniture maze and you know, you gotta get some cheese. And so [inaudible] decided to go ahead and put in the Swedish meatballs and anyway, but they just kill it. That company does very, very well. That’s awesome. And he, Jason, he doesn’t have a degree. Nope. Holy crap. How does he know what to sell? How does he know what to how to price things? How does he know? I don’t know what he got. I don’t know how he does it. Okay. We lose who’s the next? We’re going through the 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree. What’s number 26? Chasing. Oh, so let’s see. To get to could do Duca Dick do 26.

How about 26? Okay, we’re on, we’re on 28 [inaudible] 27 really? Yeah. I don’t think so. I’m, I’m positive. Are you sure? Yeah, I’m tracking right now. I’ll tell you what. Right now I’m saying in verse 25, so therefore singers 26 and all the listeners are going, you’re wrong. It doesn’t matter. This point. The singers, the new 26, so Isaac Merritt singer, the inventor of the sewing machine. Yup. Dropped right out of high school and he spent every second of his time sowing. Hmm. Have you ever used a singer sewing machine there and dr Tim?

I have not really. We don’t even, we don’t really even so much in ophthalmology.

Yeah. So the human eyes shut just for fun. No, no, no. Okay. Now, real quick, Jason upon further review the folks at home are telling me you are in fact, right? Therefore you get to make a point and I lose all of the mega points I’ve ever accumulated through my life. And so and, and TD Jakes called in here, we had to, we, I don’t know if it was really TD Jakes, but this is what I was trying to explain, that Jason was incorrect and this is what TD Jakes wanted to tell me. Folk folk, Jesus who is exceptional is have a conversation with ordinary translation. Jason, just having a conversation always have a conflict. So Jason, who’s exceptional is having a conversation with ordinary, which is me. And turns out because he has two years of schooling, he can do basic math and can follow along. And it’s a sequential order. So you are right sir. So back to you. Cool. All right. So 29. Yep. Jack Crawford, Taylor, Jack Crawford. Taylor’s served honorably in world war II as a fighter pilot for the Navy and started the car rental company enterprise all without a college degree. Dr. Timothy Johnson, have you ever driven in a, rented a enterprise rental car?

I think so. Yeah. Yeah, I have.

And do you, did, did you do like enterprise, you prefer enterprise? Do you have a preferred a rental car company that you prefer to use when you travel?

I don’t, I don’t, I’m really, I’m sorry. I don’t, I just sort of go with whichever

I got to tell you this. I got to tell you this, I’m not very knowledgeable about them. Well, with a degree, you’re probably handicap if I don’t know this, but enterprise is an incredible service. No enterprise is really great. I will tell you there’s a lot of trip frequent travelers that prefer enterprise. And there was a time in my life where I traveled all the time. And enterprise is the one that was wife approved. So that, that, that this Justin, Jason, who is our next success story without a college degree. Oh, so number 30 is the man himself, James Cameron [inaudible]. And who was he a, I don’t know. I’m just kidding. He wrote and directed aliens, the sequel to alien and the abyss between 1986 and 1989. He then without a college degree, solidified his reputation as being one of the best directors on the planet.

He directed Terminator two judgment day, which come on, that was 91 94. He created the biggest blockbuster movie of all time. T Oh, sorry. A Terminator. Do that dates off. Okay. Titanic’s 1997 avatar 2009, despite not having a college degree, he’s now worth over a report. It’s $700 million. Really? Oh yeah. Really? I don’t know. I want to say this real quick. James Cameron. I don’t have proof of this, but I believe to make the movie alien, he based the entire premise of that character based upon my face. Oh. And I never got royalties on that, so I just want to say, I see you got to take that up with an HR Geiger, but he’s dead. Okay. Do you remember Terminator? What was your favorite Terminator line? Dr John’s. Do you have a favorite determinator line? Did you get really into the arms Schwarzenegger Terminator thing?

Okay.

Yeah, I remember when I was in, I don’t, how old was I?

Early 90 91 I think 91

During middle school. I scared the crap out of me.

Yeah, that was, I mean that’s a, that was a great, do you have a favorite line, Jason, from that movie? My favorite line is actually when he’s sinking into the hot metal after he tackles the liquid Terminator and he just gives the thumbs up. I’m a cue up audio real quick. And then dr Tim, you can tell me if this was seen was your favorite of these. I’ve got one minute of clips here and you can tell me which scene was your favorite season. Here we go. Here we go. I’m gonna queue it up here. Listen to me very carefully. I’m a jump in NATO Cyberdyne systems model one Oh one Jonathan and bruschetta. I need your close. That’s one of my mission parameters. Trust me, I’m ashamed. Your confusion is a little rational. She’s a healthy female of breeding age. Your clothes. Give them to me now. She’ll be back. I’ll be back. Ask the Lavista baby get out. Okay. So what, what, what was your favorite line from Terminator?

I gotta be the hostel of ISA baby. That’s, but it’s all just touch great American. Send them a photography. The dialogue of [inaudible]

I’ll be back. He was a sophisticated piece of machinery from the future. Why was the Austrian? It doesn’t make sense. It makes it, it makes a ton of sense. I mean in the future if all technology is based off of like Austrian innovation, yes, but they didn’t tell us that. Illicit in here buddy. You’re, you’re out there trying to make that movie. Make sense and bring the room down. I love the movie snout. Why did you guys watch avatar? Dr Tim, did you watch avatar [inaudible]

I did. I brought, I like watched it last year. Like it was pretty recent.

Did you like it or you’re like, get out of here.

It was okay. It, it’s kind of pretty but not,

I thought I was weird. I left that movie going. Did you see it in theaters and they came out? Yeah. See that was the whole thing was Cameron being the innovator that he spent years making a specific Tamra 10 years to make that movie. And so all of it was just the experience. Like there’s a ride at Disney world now that people are like saying changing their lives because it’s VR, you get to fly around the world of avatar, but it’s nuts. Like it’s still just living on, I feel like how I felt about that, that movie would be like if you’re a man and you go to the urinal and you go there and the guy next to you pees on you. That’s how I felt. I’m like, I don’t know that I wanted that to happen and I’m kind of left like ah, jolted, like violated. And I kind of felt like I don’t know what to do with these emotions. I haven’t talked about it for a long time. So, Oh, dr Tim’s bringing the family on the show. Dr Tim will let you go here in just a moment. We’ll, we’ll do one more. One more. Here we go. Okay, so number 31 Jason, who is this? That is Jay van Andel. Okay. He may be a billionaire and co founder of Amway. Amway. Oh, buds. What’s not impressive is he doesn’t have a degree.

So this guy a dark, you got Jay van Andel is the founder of Amway, a dark Tim. I bet you he wakes up everyday thinking I really screwed up my life and missed out on learning how to learn when I chose not to earn a college degree. Do you buy into that whole thing that college teaches you to learn how to learn?

I think it makes you dumb. It teaches you that, that you that you need credentials.

Right. And so for you, why did you go to college? I mean, why couldn’t you just watch YouTube videos and become an ophthalmologist?

The law. Okay. I just did that. I would go to jail if they would let me. That might be the way they used to do it. Then that just a apprenticeship.

There you go. But all I’m saying is, so you needed a degree, you knew you needed a degree, but you knew your ongoing education wasn’t done right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a specific goal. To me, the college degree is a tool. And so if you know, it’s like a shovel, you wouldn’t have a shovel only by a shell book. You need a whole [inaudible]

For the listeners out there that have a degree and have a, maybe a tool they’ve purchased and they’re struggling to get their business off, make it grow what, what ongoing education would you encourage the listeners to, to check out their doctor? Tim?

Don’t you don’t y’all have a online business school?

We do. That thing is a, a 19 bucks a month and a lot of people love it. And then you have, if you are a subscriber for 12 months, you get to come to a workshop for free. Dr Tim, do you prefer workshops? Do you prefer one on one coaching or do you prefer online videos?

It’s like asking what is your favorite child? I don’t, they’re, they’re also wondering, I like that. I liked the one on one coaching workshop was really cool. Yeah. I’m more of a one on one guy. Yeah. I like the, the intimacy we share.

Nope. Tell me about this, a young child next to you. Who do we have on the show with us here?

So this is why he is, Oh see, 12 weeks old, three months today.

Really well. Well tell why it hello from the thrive nation and we will, we will hang up on you to make your life easier. Cause I know gonna hang up anyway. So we’re just gonna hang up on you and that way you don’t have to hang up on us. It’s always embarrassing when a guest up on us. So

I appreciate you very much my friend and hope you have a great day. Alright, bye. And we’re back. Okay. So Jason, we, we’ve, we’ve lost Dr. Timothy Johnson but we continue the show we’re marching on. Oh yeah. Yep. So number 32 is Jerry Yang, Jerry Yang, Jerry Yang dropped out of Sanford’s PhD program to create, and I’ll say it right this time. Yahoo, Yahoo with a PhD. I bet he doesn’t even know where to store his two point $6 million. But I bet you that I can help him put that money to get you somewhere. So Jerry, if you wanna send it to 1100 a Riverwalk, terrorists, suite 100 jinx, Oklahoma seven four zero three seven. So Jerry, if Jerry right now, if you’re trying to figure out a place to store your eye, Dre doesn’t have a degree. Right? So Jerry if you so we can send the money to us.

Yeah, you can mail it to us at 1100 Riverwalk terrace, suite 100 jinx, Oklahoma [inaudible] seven four zero three seven or you can just email us today a to info at thrive time, show.com just kind of wire us that banking information, whatever that is. And Jerry will help you figure that out cause I know it’s added degree without it, without, without a PhD from Stanford. Ah, you could not possibly know where to store that money. Now Jason, back to you my friend. Oh, who’s next? That is a number 33 GBD or Jimmy Dean, the breakfast King. Really Julie in the breakfast game mogul of the meat industry and founder of the multimillion dollar business also dropped out of high school at the age of 16 wow. Yet he managed to build as business. You can’t walk into a single donut shop in Tulsa without them having a Jimmy Dean product.

So he dropped out at the age of what age? 16 but he went on to have success. Oh yeah, let’s do another one, Jay. We got 73 and we’re on number. What, 34 now. Okay. And I sit corrected. Previously I thought we were a different number, but now you educated me. I was matriculated, I was coached up, I did my research. I added up, I went 21 to 27 whatever I did. So now we’re, we’re corrected. Back to number 34. Who’s next? That is mr Jimmy [inaudible]. Okay. Who’s this guy? So Jimmy was the son of a longshoreman, started out working as a secretary. He’s working as a secretary, but at the age of 19 his drive had become his mission in life. He was absolutely obsessed with making records. So he started to work at a studio or in a professional studio in 1972 when one of his friends got him a job as a janitor at a record studio.

And then not long after that he found himself working with John linen Bruce Springsteen, the boss and other huge artists. In, in 1973, he got a full time job working at the record plant recording studio in New York where he worked with meatloaf on his iPad at a hell album. Springsteen’s born to run. He helped produce the album. He’s drawn his career. He’s produced albums that have sold over 250 million copies. And then he teamed up with dr Dre to found beats the beats headphones, which were purchased by Apple for Amir, $3 billion. Since he doesn’t have a degree though, I’m sure that he can only hope he will eventually go out to become, go out and become successful. I mean, one could only hope. So again, when we’re talking about six super successful people, we have 73 entrepreneurs success stories today that don’t have a degree.

But I want to talk about the game changing things that we’ve already covered. So every time you go to where you get the sausage from Jimmy Dean, Ikea, if you go, or you said that every breakfast places serving. Oh yeah. Like there’s like, cause most donut shops are franchises, right? But all of them have the same branding. And so every single one of them has hundreds. And Tulsa have some sort of Jimmy Dean product. So if you’re going out for a lot of these breakfast, a breakfast, you’re going to probably be an impacted by Jimmy Dean. Oh yeah. With no degree. If you have the Apple headphone technology right now is all powered by beats, right? All right. So if you got Apple headphones in your ears, you’ve got, you’ve been, you’ve been touched by someone without a degree. If you’ve ever used Yahoo I know very few people do now, but if you’re, if you ever used Yahoo, you’ve been empowered.

You’ve been impacted by someone without a degree. If you’ve ever seen avatar or Titanic, you’ve been impacted by somebody without a degree. If you’ve ever used a singer sewing machine or had clothes made by someone who does use a singer, a singer, sewing machine, you’ve been impacted by someone without a degree. If you’ve ever gone to Ikea, if you ever had a Snapple, if you’ve ever picked up the average aluminum can, if you’ve ever, if you’ve ever been in a Ford automobile or any mass produced automobile, if you’ve ever been to blockbuster or remember going to blockbuster, if you’ve ever taken modern photos today, if you’ve ever seen the architecture all around you, you’ve been impacted by these people who don’t have a degree. It would seem to me that a lot of the game changing people, the people that that change the world don’t have a college degree.

And Jason, why do you think that that pattern exists? Well, I think those are the people that did not need that additional cause. Like, like we were talking about earlier, that first year of college, people are getting 40 to $50,000 in debt and they don’t even know what they want to do. These people knew what they wanted to do, or at least had a, I don’t know, slight example of, or as like a small idea. Then they said, I’m going to go for it. I don’t need you to tell me other things. I’m wasting my time. I’m just going to get that knowledge. But you heard Dr. Timothy Johnson just share right there that he said you have to unlearn everything you learned at college. Right? You heard him say that, didn’t you? Yeah, absolutely. And it’s true. You have to unlearn that stuff. And so it’s, it’s interesting to me because I really enjoy working with him.

But he, he, he has a degree and a lot of the things that we’re teaching him, they just weren’t taught at college at all. Nope. And I think that’s because college teaches you to follow these rules and these systems that a, I makes you a great employee. Yeah, absolutely. But these people were game changing. I mean, changing the way we do things forever. People had done the horse and buggy thing and then Henry Ford’s like, why, you know, forever computers were massive. The mainframes would fill up an entire room. And Steve jobs is like, why [inaudible] forever. The TV screen or the monitor you have today wasn’t attached to the computer unit. It was all done via punch cards. Wow. And Steve jobs is going, why? Why can’t the average person use a computer? And academia says, because that’s the way we’ve always done it. And so I’m just telling you, if you’re out there and you go to college as a general rule, it beats the creativity out of you.

It turns you into a conformity machine where you just are a cog and no big industrial complex wheel. And I would encourage you today, if you have not yet gone to college to get a degree, think really long and hard before you decide to get one or not. Yeah. It can be because you got a 40% chance of getting a job that doesn’t even require a degree. True. After earning the degree, according to Forbes you’re going to spend 40 grand a year or 25 grand a year, getting a degree, you probably won’t even use. Nope. So I would just encourage you to think long and hard about that. Now, Jason, tell us about the next entrepreneur entrepreneurial success story, who achieved massive success without a college degree. So that is number 35. Mr John D Rockefeller sr. So John Rockefeller became the world’s wealthiest man after dropping out of high school to support his single mom and family and dropping out of what dropped out of high school.

He’s 16, 16 years old. Okay, continue. So Rockefeller went on to fund and create America’s national park system, countless, countless uses for fossil fuels and the largest net worth in modern American history. However, John D Rockefeller, he never did earn a college degree, but he did far. He did found two universities, including the university of Chicago and Rockefeller university. He is one of the book. Titan is one of my favorite books of all time, which has written about his life. But some things that he did that were just unbelievable. His father was a snake oil salesman or the kind of guy that would scam people. His father would scan people consistently. And so what he did is he decided, you know what, I am not going to allow people to be scammed the way that my dad scan people. So what I’m going to do is I am going to create the modern medical training system we know today like the, the, the, the, the practices used today to become a doctor.

Those were all Rockefeller. We’re working on that. Oh. Also we had such an abundance of fossil fuels back in the day that oil, people don’t know this, that lakes used to be oily because the lakes w well was trying to get out of though it was working its way through the soil and coming out. Yeah. And it wasn’t being drilled for yet. So you’d go on lakes and you’d see this looks like an oil spill was on lakes. It was because oil would naturally bubble up. And so he thought, man, there’s a lot of this stuff and people are just using the kerosene. Yeah, I bet you we could find other uses for this stuff. So the, the, the idea to use it for rubber or to use like petroleum jelly or to use a gasoline, that’s all Rockefeller. Wow. The national parks. All Rockefeller, I don’t if you know this, but he was frustrated that people were deforesting land.

Yeah. So he bought huge amounts of land and gave it to the government to form the national park system we have today. Wow. He did so much, but he did not have a degree and he started working at the age of 16 no high school diploma. Nope. But he became the world’s wealthiest man. Let’s move on to number 36 we are essentially almost halfway there if you, if you’re, if you’re doing the math right, this just, if you’re doing the math, we’re about halfway through the list of the top 73 entrepreneur success stories without a college degree. So that brings us to a 36 John Mackey. Yep. The millennial hub and house of incredible organic food. Whole foods market may have been founded by this man and the whole foods movement may have been swept or it may have swept the nation, but he never didn’t earn a college degree because he dropped out.

He enrolled in six different colleges, you know that. Wow. But he never got a degree. No, but he has the most popular grocery store in all of America. Everybody goes to whole foods. It’s whole foods is like a, it’s a hipster hangout spot. It’s where the women with the yoga pants go. It’s where my wife goes to get that kale. It’s where you go to get that kombucha. It’s where you go to get that premium beef baby. Oh yeah. Whole foods is huge here. They are. I used to, I used to avoid them like the plague, just cause everybody went there. It’s like I’m not going to do it. No, no. You’ve been brought in now how you’re going to hole check. It’s a great store, great store. You have your whole check to the incredible man without a college degree. John Mackey, number 37 Jason is number 37 a.

It’s another John. Lots of John’s on this list. A lot of John’s. Yeah, John Paul. Let’s go with DeJoria does urea. So John Paul DeJoria is worth an estimated 2.6 billion. Wow. Which just goes to show you that old college or the old old pro college adage was you probably can’t be worth 2.7 billion without a college degree, but you can successfully start Mitchell systems and patron spirits. I’ve never heard that before. Yeah. You know, that’s a, it’s a, it’s a phrase. The, a lot of times I say, but you say, you know what they say you probably can’t be worth 2.7 billion without a college degree, but you can successfully start Mitchell systems and patroned spirits. Oh, okay. That sounds a little familiar. Now I hear a lot of people use, a lot of times I’ll go out to my wife and I’ll go out to a nice restaurant. Yeah. And I’ll say, yeah, you know, Carl. And so it just goes to show you. And Carl is like, you’re right. You know what they say? You probably can’t be worth 2.7 billion without a college degree, but you can successfully start Mitchell systems in Patrones spirits. He’s worth 2.6 billion. 2.6 billion. Patroned Whoa. Oh, I was reading that patron. Okay. Yeah. Mitchell systems, you know all the haircare products. Sick is sick. Move on to number 38 38 is Joyce C. Hall. Okay, so Joyce C. Hall started that little company named

Hallmark without the degree. Do you watch hallmark movies with your mom? I used to. There’s pretty sappy. They’re very sappy. You loved them though. I used to have to watch that in lifetime, but it was just like, it was family time, so why not? But you loved it. Yeah, I loved it. I did. You serious what you have? Do you have a favorite hallmark movie you remember or they all just become one movie and they became one movie? Like, I can’t removing the same movie in my mind. I couldn’t tell you any of the names. I kind of do like him where I’m like, at the end of this, this is what I say at the end of every hallmark movie. Yeah. That’s kind of the affiliates like, yeah. I mean it’s just that there were the collect the data that we want to say at the end of it.

I’m never, I’m never disappointed. It’s not like it’s a bad movie. You go in with low expectations. Yeah. And then you’re like, let me get ya. Yeah. I may, I may, I know who these actors or actresses are, but they got me. Okay. So let’s move on there. So she doesn’t have a degree. Nope. And yet started hallmark. True. Okay. Continue. Continue. 39 is Kemmons Wilson. So after dropping out of high school, Kimmons started the holiday Inn, but the real question is, what degree did he get, let’s go back real quick to Joyce. Hall. I think that that Joyce here created a lot of the you know I think holidays true. I mean, don’t you think that that that like maybe hallmark and holiday and we’re working as part of the Illuminati to create a false holidays there for more vacations and work.

That caller earlier said there are five people in the world that run everything. I’m just saying, I mean, aren’t there a lot of holidays where you’re like, really? Is that a holiday and they have a card for it? Yeah. Now the hall family right now today is worth over $2 billion and holiday in families worth. I’m not sure how much they’re worth, but I really do. I really do believe that. What are some holidays, Jason, that you think are just ridiculous that people celebrate [inaudible] holidays at all that you’re going on? I think it’s ridiculous. Leif Erickson day two people actually celebrate that. I think it’s on the Google earth day is one that drives me. Flag day, flag day, earth day, Groundhog day, and there’s cards for all that stuff. Oh, for sure. There’s a card for anything. No, I’m just telling you the good folks at hallmark, they did a great job creating fake holidays.

Okay. Continue telling us about the whole holiday Inn? Yes. So Kemmons Wilson. Yes. So let’s see. What clothes did he wear in his 20s and on his days off, since he hadn’t been able to spend four years, he hadn’t been able to spend four years of his life stuffing his closet full of college logo sportswear. How did he ever make friends because he didn’t get a chance to meet his lifelong friends on a college campus? Kemmons Wilson again, he drops out of high school, starts holiday in. But the real question I have, we all have is what the crap was he wearing in his twenties. You see a lot of people after college, they’re wearing the logo sweatshirts, they’re wearing the logo apparel and they’re talking to the friends they met at college. I always got my best friends from college. They’re just like it’s like we can’t make new friends.

People think, Oh yeah. Have you heard that? Have you heard that idea as a sales pitch of why to go to college? People say, well it’s cause it’s the place where you meet your real friends. Yeah, they tried that. I went to [inaudible] like freshman week thing or no, sorry. It was like right before that. So it’s like this whole recruiting thing and they’re just going to say, just like, you know guys, you had that one guy in his cargo shorts and his chocos and this sooner shirt and he’s like, you know, the thing about it is you, when you come here, you find your friends for life. Okay, now I’m going to play my acoustic guitar and walk around the campus. Unbelievable. That crap. They sell it like you can’t meet lifelong friends at work or at church or doing anything on a bus. You got to meet him at college. Interesting. Okay, let’s go. Let’s continue. Who are we talking about next? So number 40 is Kevin Rose. After dropping out of college, Kevin Rose started dig. That’s dig with two gs.com which was later sold. Kevin then invested in Twitter for square square, Facebook and other leading technology companies today. Without a degree, he is now worth a reported $30 million. How much is he worth? $30 million. Sure. That song. Every Rose has its thorn. Yeah. I love that. And we can kinda see, Hey

[Inaudible] stone. Kevin Rose, come on. This song goes up to Kevin Rose. Just that a friend has it go, Ooh,

I just love that song. I, this makes me love Kevin.

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The one with Kevin Rose. If you’re out there, you’re calling to be a guest on the show. Hey, we’re Kevin ooze as in stone, which is more cab on the track. Just that if I’m a tambourine somewhere, you got to get that for future shows. Yes. For Brent, just a say. Hey Kevin Rose a Bri has it, so,

Oh gosh. I just freaking you. You caught that yet. Do you know all the time, what was his name? Ah, that, that group was a poison. Poison. Okay. Just Dak. Even Kevin Rose has it stone. Is that the, I just, I don’t know what it is. I love that song. Do you love that song as well or are you kind of not feeling it as much as I do? So I grew up with a lot of classic rock. I spent a lot of time in harmony with my aunt and uncle and that’s all they would play on the radio. So that’s like a 40 minute drive. It’s just poison and Whitesnake. And what was the Whitesnake song that you is? I can’t remember. I never got into it. Really? I feel like the white snake needs a shout out. A Whitesnake would be, Oh here, here we go. Let me say this is great. Let’s meet

Your hair was so amazing. [inaudible] So

You’re driving to where now? How many Oklahoma and then your family will listen to Oh yeah, my aunt. Just all the classic rock in the car when you driving. So at one point she had a blue Buick and these call called the big blue boat captain. I can’t remember the other. It was like a grandam.

Here we go. Everyone knows the course. [inaudible] Passion.

Okay, so you got, we got Whitesnake. Who else did you have to listen to? That’s great stuff. Oh man. A ACDC.

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Who else did you listen to? Oh, let’s see. Pink Floyd. I liked them. I think you mentioned somebody else though. I think you mentioned some

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It’s the same person. It’s the same person. That’s amazing. Do you have one more come on you. You said poison. Poison. You said poison. You said white snake. ACDC. We already covered poison. You got the every guy. I’ve got that. Is there somebody else though? You say no, there’s gotta be one. There’s van Halen. What was the van Halen song that you guys would jam out to? One driving. You remember what that song? Oh, I’ll, I’ll go. I’ll do one better. A Motley crew. What was Motley crew song? You kickstart my heart. Really kickstart my heart opening line to that song. It was the opening line when I get high. Get high on speed.

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Well, listen, if you’re out there in your car and now you’re saying, what the crap am I listening to? Well, you’re listening to some hot stuff and I want you to sing along right now with us, or I’m not moving on. I’m going to get stuck here in this death loop and I’m not gonna move on and let’s use sing along. So get yourself, he will do it. Get yourself to a place where you’re ready to go. I’m cuing it up. Here we go.

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I just want to just, I just want to get to the Haiti’s. Thank you. Kevin Rose. Yeah. The problem is I don’t want to, I don’t want to come back. I like it here. Let’s move on to number 41 on our Epic list of 73 top entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree. So number 41 is Kirk Kerkorian. Kirk doesn’t have a degree but he has or he was known as the father of the mega resort having built the world’s largest hotel in Las Vegas on three different occasions, Sam. So despite not having a college degree, we will give him a pass for not having a college degree after dropping out of school while just in the eighth grade, eighth grade. Think about that for a second. Flip. Megan result

On eighth grade. I’m going to drop out. I got a question. Two questions. One, how can I get some more cowbell ones on on the truck? Say of course I haven’t. What’s the best way to drop out? Cause I’m going to build a 3.9 Toyota DOE and network, or excuse me, what you’re going to do is show your need to calm down. Bobby, Bob Lenz, Coca-Cola, you, I sweat. Hope you were 3.9 billion and I will come back towards you. I will fight you to my casino. Let’s just

Stay for free. You don’t need to coach to Greg. I mean that’s the way we think about that eighth grade, eighth grade. That’s amazing. Wow. And that’s 2008 net worth. It was 3.9 billion. [inaudible] Go back. Okay. Moving on. Number 42 42 is Larry Ellison. Larry has earned a, an adorable 71.6 billion net worth, Sean, despite having dropped out of two different colleges. Get outta here. Larry is most widely known as the co founder of the Oracle software company. That’s a, that’s an outstanding number right there. Unbelievable success these people are having, all of these people were mentioning on today’s show did not do not have a college degree. They didn’t get a college degree. They earn their success without a college degree and you can to number 43 what he got there, Lynn or Leandro Rizutto. Yup. Okay. Talk to me about this one here. So Leandro a, all this guy ever did was spend his time building con air and nothing else.

Hmm. However, just because he’s a billionaire, I bet he deeply wishes that he had had a college team to cheer him on. I see a lot of people say that though. They go, you know, we, it’s great. I always have a team to cheer for. I can always cheer for OSU. I can always cheer for Alabama. I can always cheer for Florida state. I’m just, I’m so glad I have a degree. Cause now I Jason, you see that all the time. You see people cheering for Oklahoma state university or university of Minnesota. Oh yeah. Cause they graduated there 47 years ago. 22 years ago, five years ago. Oh. My whole family is, my mom went to OSU and now all of them, even though nobody else has gone to OSU since, like that’s our team. Those are our people. Do we have anybody in the building right now who’s currently here in the building who has attempted to get a degree?

Do we have anybody here? I think Ben Ben’s here. What’s good Ben? I think Ben went to some college classes. I’d like to get Ben’s take on this and as we’re getting banned as a Roundup, Ben, Ben is the search engine optimization director for my business. Make your life Epic. So if you’re a one on one coaching client, Ben will ah, manage the team of people that does the search engine optimization. But he does not have a college degree, but he is an expert in the field of search engine optimization. And so if you purchase our new book, a search engine optimization domination on Amazon, you’re going to see case studies and client case studies and success stories in that book where you can see the fruits of the efforts and Oh bit Ben. There he is. Okay. But it’s an impromptu appearance on the thrive time show.

Let’s see here. We’ll, we’ll get Ben all miked up here. Ben, I think your Mike, Deb, let’s get the headphones on him and I’ve been wanting to ask you real quick. And you could adjust it. Don’t even worry about the noises. It makes you just gotta turn that little thing there. You know, you gotta turn that T Oh, nice. Oh, impressive. Okay. So Ben you’re here today. Can you explain to the listeners what you’re working on right now? I’m working on the search engine optimization content that we write every single month. And are you and your wife going go buy a house today or what’s the blend you’re going to be looking at a house tomorrow? We’re in the process of just sorting through them. See which one we want. Nice. If you narrowed it down to like the top 10 or you, you still still broad?

Still wide. I, we’re still broad and wide. We’ve only seen thing for [inaudible]. So we’re, we’re a little early bird. You’re a 10th of the way there. Beautiful. Now the listeners out there, we’re talking about why you don’t need a college degree to achieve huge success. And I know you’re busy. I just wanna grab you for five minutes here. Did you at one point go, go to college? I did indeed. Yeah. Tell us about how that first year went and what kind of things they, what kinds of things that you learned? Well, so originally I was going for accounting, business administration, that sort of thing. I wasn’t really totally sure, but what I didn’t learn was nothing useful at all in the least bit. What kind of classes did you take? Just, I mean, just give me a kinda, I know I’m not trying to put you on blast to memorize the specific classes you had, but what kind of things were on the syllabus?

I learned about pre history to like medieval times. I learned about medieval times up to is there one thing you remember from that class that I’ll just, anything, even if it’s not applicable, but one thing you remember about medieval times where you’re going, I did not know that. Well, one of the teachers, he he said that it’s most likely the pilgrims were quite possibly a pirates, so I did not know that. And you use that on a practical level, how can you use that information in the game of life? You can’t, I can’t imagine being that professor Beck. Well, kids today we’re going to be talking about business accounting. We’re going to start with the bubonic plague. How do they, I’m just asking you how do they, with a straight face teach classes at college?

Like how can somebody on a college campus with a straight, again, if it was a joke, I would get it, but how can they go? All right, you’re all here to get a degree in economics and finance. So today we’re going to start off by studying humanities for one solid year. Humanities, social science, quantitative literacy, and we’re going to be studying truth, false tables, pirates and Mesopotamia will the Baroque Ian Nim pot broken period of artwork. We’re going to be studying you know, the history of literature. We’re going to read the catcher in the rye. We’re going to study hit Freud and his theories on the electro competence OTIP is complex. How could they do that without letting seriously? You’re first year. What other classes did you take? The first year I took? Yeah, I took a humanities. In all honesty. It took me like this, like a solid year to actually get to the courses I was actually wanting to take and for me to figure out that I actually didn’t like the, like the major I was going into to Mila solid year to realize that before I actually got to take any of those classes.

When you take your wife on a date, where do you guys, what, what’s a restaurant you guys like to go to? Will you like a sushi train? We mm. So good. We like ’em. So we like it’s called burger street. We like burgers. So let me, so let me cue up. This would be college. The first one or two years have no relationship to what you wanna do. You gotta get your basics out of the way. Pump the brakes. Now, let me go ahead and share with you, this is, this is how, this is how it would be like going to the sushi train if the sushi train. It’s like, I mean, we keep my sushi bar music. If the sushi train operates like a college, this would be like the, this would be like the vibe. Okay, so you’re going into like a sushi

Bark. Let me kind of get the vibe. Let me get, let me go. Excuse me, sir. Would you like a table for two or how many of your, how many people are in your party? Yeah, just the two. Yeah. Okay. Well I’m gonna get you a table for eight, one of the first quarter of your time. Why? Why? Because it’s a prerequisite. Smoking or non-smoking? A non-smoking. Why don’t you smoke for a while just to see if you like it. Well, let’s continue now, sir. What kinda what? Just got to sit now. I bringing you inside down. If you spend a quarter of your time outside. Sir, now that you’re inside and you’re in the non-smoking section, did you enjoy the smoking? I did not actually. I hated it to enjoy the outside. I, I got the black lung. Okay. Now what would you like to eat tonight?

Sushi. Sushi. What kind of sushi again? We liked the California rolls or we like the the spicy crap. Okay, I’m going to give you some cat fish. I’ll read that. It’s not what I said, but no, no. And it’s, I’m gonna make you and you have to pay for it too, because that’s what we do. The first quarter of your visit has been outside smoking blue and what you don’t want to do the next quarter is spit now having food you don’t want. And now we’re in the third quarter of your meal, sir. Are you, are you a full on that catfish? Unfortunately, now it’s time to get to what you want to do. All right, now. Now we’ll get that sushi for you. You’ve been here for three. This is the third quarter of your meal. You want someone that you, you want some sushi now finally, probably just take it home.

Well, instead of giving you that sushi, let me talk to you about sushi for the next quarter. The mill is for you. I want some sushi. I’m going, let me tell you about the history of sushi you see back in the day, the Japanese team, whenever, I mean, and then you’re going, I just want some sushi thing. Let me tell you about why the word sushi was developed. Who has been, who’s named their child sushi, what some people feel about sushi, why I like sushi, my random pontifications about anything. And now the final quarter of the meal, sir. Now that you’ve sat outside for a quarter of the meal, had catfish for the next quarter. Now that you have known the history of sushi, now let’s have some freaking [inaudible].

That’s what college is like. Most definitely most definitely complete waste of freaking time. Ben, will you explain to listeners out there now what you’re doing as far as your, your job title or your role up here at the, at the offices? So right now I am the search engine optimization manager. I think the SEO czar, I like to kinda how many articles is your team pumping out a month for clients? So this month we are on track to complete 8,900 and a little bit above 8,900, so close to 9,000 articles this month. Wow. There it is. So Ben getting it done, writing more content than any search engine optimization company on the planet. Ben summers. You’re the man. Thanks for joining us my friend. I try and we will continue. I just want to, I want to be, I wanted to call dr Tim because he’s an ophthalmologist.

I want to get his take on the college degree. I want to grab members of our team and I want to go through as we, as we work through these top 73 success stories without a college degree, it is absolutely essential that you ask yourself today, do you need a college degree? Do you actually need a college degree? Because if you don’t, don’t suffer through it. Just move on. Now as we continue our discussion about the top 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a degree, we now move on to entrepreneur number 44. Jason, who is it? That is Leslie Wexner. Leslie Wexner. What, what did she do? Let’s see. Did you do, Oh, you know, I’m reading this in your brain, so I’m just gonna read it as just, yeah, just read it as if you’re me because again, we have, we’ve had to I’ve, I’ve spent way too much time, dozens of hours researching top entrepreneurs who have had major success without a college degree and I’ve paraphrased it.

I’ve summarized it into the most original hypertext markup language content on the planet and a podcast. So Jason, read as though you are me. Although my wife buys things from theL brands, the worldwide retail empire that owns Victoria’s secret bath and body works and limited. I am not by any means impressed or endorsing Leslie Wexner, his decision to drop out of law school to start $1 billion brand with the $5,000 that she could have handed over to a college. Think about that for a second though. Leslie Wexner nay started Victoria’s secret bath and body works and limited. How is that possible without a college degree? No idea, but at least two of those dominate every mall I’ve ever been to. Have you ever noticed that when you go into the mall, any mall those stores dominate? They are huge because you know they were all owned by the same person.

I actually did not know until this very second. The Illuminati man, the, it’s the Victoria’s secret Illuminati. Okay, let’s move on to a entrepreneur number 45 who’s doing well without a college degree. So 45 is Mark echo not to be confused with Marky Mark from the funky bunch. If you are one of the few people who base excess upon whether or not someone has had success, then you may find Mark echo, impressive. If you base your success on whether you have a college degree. Mr Mark echo is rather unimpressive without earning a college degree. Mark was able to build $1 billion brand and over 100 million net worth. Now, when I think about Victoria’s secret and I think about a bath and body works in limited. This is the kind of music that I think of because of the vast conspiracy. They’re all owned by the same people. This is kind of the music that I think, this is what I picture. You know, I walked into the store,

I’m going, this store is owned for the people that own the store across the hall. What is that? And then the store down the way. So down the way, across the hall, they’re all controlled

By the same person. If you zoom out on Google maps and highlight their area, yes, it’s a triangle. It’s a pyramid. Whoa. The Bermuda triangle, it’s unbelievable. It’s a pyramid scheme. It’s a triangle. It is Victoria’s secret. And then the DD, those dirty, dirty sales reps who work there every time I see them once a year, when I go in there to buy my wife, various things for the holidays, which are actually gifts for myself, but they’re for her. I go in there and they say to me, they say, sir, can we help you? I hate that they look at you in the eye. If you’ve been to Victoria secrets. I’ve been there all of one time. Don’t you always do. Okay. You’ve been at one time but still I know exactly what you’re talking. Go in there and you feel like a sick freak.

Yeah. And then they’re like sharks and they just, this is like you are the fresh blood in the water and they just pinpoint your Thurs or something we can help you with. Yeah, you can help me by not looking at me. And then when I check out, I don’t want them to make eye contact. Nope. I just wanted to like, just put it in like a, like, like a shoot, like a bank where you put in the tube and they just give me out money. I don’t, I don’t want to, I don’t want to have a, a relationship. Okay. Victoria’s secret ladies. I feel dirty enough having gone in there. Now you move on to entrepreneur number 45 who’s high, who has had massive success without a college degree. Who do you have there? Jason? So that was mr Mark. Hmm. And so without a college degree, he helped to build $1 billion brand in his net worth is over $100 million.

Yay Mark echo. You’re doing well. Good job. Good job. But he doesn’t have a backup plan. No, because he does not have a college degree. Let’s move on to entrepreneur number 46 coming in hot. Who is it Jason? That is miss Mary Kay Ash in all reality prints should have been writing songs about Mary Kay and the pink Cadillacs instead of songs about pink cashmere, purple rain and raspberry Baret. No, clay wrote this cause I would never say that about Prince. Oh, but Mary Kay Ash was incredible. I realized that he failed to realize her greatness because she could not earn his respect without earning a college degree. Yeah, I mean Prince Edward Prince, he could have been singing songs that mattered like a pink Cadillac, pink Cadillac instead of like poor purple rain, purple rain, you know, and to be putting Cadillac pink Cadillac, dah dah, dah, dah, pink Cadillac, pink Cadillac.

Oh pink. He could have been doing that. But instead he threw his career down the drain. He could’ve been sick and all these songs about Mary Kay Ash, she could have been doing that. He missed out on is think about how successful Prince would have been if he would have hitched up that MLM and locked in and became a triple diamond. It would have been pretty impressive. Couldn’t he have become a triple diamond? He could have. I’m not sure what the pyramid looks like over there. Their Mary Kay and Mary Cash. He was a very pretty man. Imagine all of the makeup he could have sold. That’s what I’m saying. He could have said, listen here ladies. Okay. I happened to be on my downline. I have 6 million people in my downline who are all wearing much less makeup than when I wear, but I not only believe in the product, I’d wear the product and the product and I write songs about the product.

My name is Prince. I believe in purple and pink Cadillacs. Biased maybe. I mean a lot of people join MLMs and they’re not even really into it. True. Have you been pitched at MLM before? I have and it was the weirdest experience ever. Tell us about the last time you were pitched. We won’t mention specific people’s names, obviously. It’s usually when somebody is going through a patch in their life where they realize that getting rich slow over time is not something they want to do. Right. And they find themselves at a weak point looking for success, lamenting upon the life they’ve lived thus far, wondering why they have not achieved the success they want yet. Then they look to at MLM and even though it typically seems like something irrational person would not do, they now have signed up, they’d come in and they came in big, invested big and now they want you to invest in them to thus you get a call from a friend and they will invite you out to a, they say, Hey, I have an opportunity I want to talk to you about real quick.

That’s exactly how it’s, can we, could we meet it Panera bruh. But I would like to hear how your pitch started an end in place. So this was one of those companies much like I don’t know if it’s like Herbalife, it wasn’t specifically Herbalife, but what it was, was it Melaleuca? I have no idea. I am when stick around long enough for the, in our bond. But it was a, it was a all natural supplement products. So like pills and protein and meal replacement, all natural. It’s all natural. So the guy that approached me, I worked with, he was the receptionist of the old customer service job. Got God. I worked at, and so like you said, most people join it when they don’t know where they’re going in life. So we knew that the company was coming to a close, I’m like four months.

What kind of company wants, so I worked a customer service and accounting for a rental car company. But that company was shutting down? Yes. Okay. Cubbies the company shutting down. Was the company sold? Was it okay. Just so the company was sold at shutting down and you guys have four months left, 120 days. You’re looking for opportunities and the front desk guys like, Oh man, this is my move. Feel like I already had my next one set up. I was going to do accounts payable at another place, but I would go to the gym there. They had this awesome gym on the top floor, so I’d work out there. There was a gym at your rental car place. Wow. You are living the high life. I mean it was still pretty cool for awhile. Okay, let, so workout wraps up. I’m in the locker room.

Tell on about changed. This guy comes up also tell on, he’s just like, Hey Jason, I’m glad I caught you. I want to talk to you about this awesome opportunities. Awesome deal. I’m like, I don’t typically talk to other men and towels, so can this like wait until we get changed in our like you know back on the floor and he’s like, Oh five minutes. Does he say seriously? I listen. I want to get your attention here. So he drops the town? No, me. He kept like readjusting it like I was gonna fall and it looks like I don’t want to listen to your pitch. I don’t want to see it like this. And it was probably, I was too nice at that point. So like 10 minutes I had to hear what kind of stuff was he pitching? Tell us. I know it’s been awhile, but tell us the kind of benefits he was pitching.

The benefit was, okay, so right now all you have to do is you have to come to this a meeting or like seminar, just seven up to meetings. And it was Herman session. And so was that like some like rented conference room at this hotel and I was like, wait, are you really trying to sell me supplements? Was it a Renaissance or a Crowne Plaza or do you remember? I can’t remember where it is. You don’t, you know that it’s the kind of, the smaller the hotel, the more scammy it is. Oh yeah. So if it’s like, Hey, let’s meet at the Clarion, Hey, let’s meet at Ramada. Was it like that? Was it like a mid tier? Was it like a, was it like a, it definitely wasn’t a day in express. Yeah, it was. It was something not impressive whatsoever. Okay. But it wasn’t like a Renaissance.

No, I don’t think so. Let’s continue. But so he’s came in full force and was like, so for 2,500 upfront up front you’re going in hold on 2,500 maybe this is an opportunity. So for 2,500 upfront, if you don’t get me enough inventory right, that I would again have to store somewhere. You didn’t inventory, they get that product. But what I could do with all of that. So he’s like, I know like that’s a lot of supplements to move at one time. So you can do it like what I’m doing, if you wanted to come in on my group, I could pay you to sell it for me and then we could split the commission and then that could work towards whatever. Like each time you hit a different like quota, you get a prize. Kind of like the Mary Kay only you don’t get a Cadillac.

It’s nothing new to me. Did he get into why this awesome supplement company doesn’t market their business traditionally and why they chose to market through individual sales reps like yourself? He did cause and his words where the supplement market is already so saturated and so saturated. Why try to compete with somebody on that level when we could go door to door, face to face. Now that he explained to you about how the product has been independently tested, verified in like Europe or Sweden. I asked him, cause I’m like, Oh, I’m clearly a guy who’s into fitness. I just finished my post-workout shake. I did my pre workout beforehand, so like, can you tell me what’s in it? What’s that? You know, it’s all natural. It’s all proven, it’s proven. I’m like, bye bye. Who? I’ll see that’s where it always gets fought. That is how you know you’re being pulled into an MLM.

And so I was like, okay, well you know, not to say I’m buying in, but just to get them to stop talking. Well, Hey, do you have any materials? That way I can research it before I make up my, you know, my mind says, no, no, you just come out. We show you the product. When you get there, we’ll go through the whole sales pitch, show you how you can grow within the company. I was like, okay, and when you told him hard pass, did he ask for, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Let me ask you this. If it’s not a good fit for you, what five friends would it be a good fit for? Did he do that move? He did. He’s like, you want to make sure you can tell as many people as possible because they can be your ambassadors and help you sell the STEM ambassadors.

So when you told him no, he asked for references. See, that’s another move. That’s a, that’s an MLM move. It’s like these people, I’m telling you, if you could just redirect your activities towards productive things in real products and real services, they would be animals, right? I mean, he had the passion to go after something that got him nowhere. I feel like the most tenacious people in the world and in the world must be like MMA fighters. I’m Israeli members of the Israeli army and MLM ERs right now, if we could get MLM ERs to join the ranks of the MMA, that would be some crazy, crazy fighting you’ve never seen. That’d be amazing. Tenacity. If we could get MLM ERs to join the American army, it’d be unbelievable. Just how not tenacious they would be. It would take one of them to dominate 20 of other soldiers. I mean, w one MLM or in the U S army would be worth 20 traditional members of the army. Okay, let’s continue. Who is the next super successful entrepreneur? We were talking about the top 73 success stories

Without a college degree. That is Mr. Michael Dell of Dell computers. Yes. He’s the billionaire who created Dell computers. He has a net worth of 37 point $6 billion. Yes, he does in that crazy. That’s crazy. But here’s the thing. I bet you, I bet you that if he wanted to take that 37 point $6 billion and if he wanted to throw himself in elaborate drunken college party to reenact the experience of going to college, he could have done that. He could throw like a Bonnaroo sized party with that money. Hey you went to school for two years. [inaudible] Were there some crazy parties? School? No cause I went to like more or less a trade school. Trade school. Okay. Yeah. So with culinary instead of having to spend four years with breaks and parties, it’s you go there from 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM six days a week with no breaks.

So you get it done like a year and a half. So we really didn’t have time to go. I think that dr Breck is going to be on today’s show. I believe so. And he’s a chiropractor and if he joins us from the tail end of this show, he did go to a traditional four year college when he was on the campus quite a bit. So I believe he might have some great college stories, photos there about the, those once in a lifetime experience is that you’re paying $40,000 a year for. Wow. Okay. Fair enough. Is lifelong friends there. There it is until you quit talking to them. That’s true. All right, let’s move on to the 48th. A successful entrepreneur who has had success without a college degree. That would be mr Milton Hershey. I always like to say, if you never finished the fourth grade, you will spend all of your life making chocolate.

I always say that. Oh yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s like that’s added. You said the other day that I’d never heard. But then once you said it, it made more sense. When I’m around my kids, I’ll, a lot of times I’ll say, you know what they say, if you’d ever finished the fourth grade, you’ll spend all of your life making chocolate. And my kids go, what’d you say, dad? And I said, you know what they say if you, if you don’t graduate, if you don’t finish fourth grade, you’re gonna spend all your life making chocolate. True. And that’s exactly what the founder of Hershey’s milk chocolate ended up doing as the founder of Hershey’s chocolates. Milton actually sold his first chocolate bars in 1,901 nine zero zero and ended up investing in the building of his own company town. That’s insane. His old town Hershey, Pennsylvania.

Look it up. This Justin, he has his own town with the education of a third grader and he doesn’t have a college degree. That’s your loser. All of the, all of the ones that we’ve read so far and he’s like, didn’t even complete or complete elementary school. Like, wow. I see people all the time. They always ask me, man, clay, you’ve had a lot of success. What where’d you go to school? Do you get your MBA? No. And let me tell you some of the hardest people to train our Indian people with the MBAs. I’ve seen it in the County. It’s bad. People just do not. If you have an MBA, it’s like you’re uncoachable now most of the time, not all the time, but most of the time is that, is that the degree that all the accounts are like, Hm, I’ve gotten my blah, blah, blah.

I want that. That’d be your CPA. But I see a lot of accountants who you do go back for their MBA or a lot of entrepreneur people who want to be entrepreneurs. And it’s just, it’s a thing where when you hire an MBA, it’s almost impossible. It’s almost impossible. Teach these people anything. Right? I’ll let, let me give you a quote from Elon Musk. Elon Musk, who obviously is the guy behind PayPal, the guy behind solar city. The guy behind [inaudible]. Let’s go with a Tesla. Oh, that sounds familiar. He’s done well for himself. Okay. This is what, this is what he has to say about having an MBA. This is, this is Elon Musk here. He says, as much as possible, avoid hiring MBAs. What does he mean by that? As much as possible, avoid hiring MBAs. MBA programs. Don’t teach people how to create companies.

Our position is that we hire someone in spite of an MBA, not because of one, in spite of, as in he views it as a negative thing. So if you see I have my MBA is kind of going, ah, okay. Another example would be Sheryl Sandberg, the COO of Facebook writes, MBAs are not necessary at Facebook. I don’t believe they are important for working in the tech industry. Oh boy. And another example, guy Kawasaki says, for every full time engineer at $500,000 in value for every MBA, subtract $250,000, it’s guy Kawasaki. It’s got Kelis like that was the legendary marketing guru behind Apple who we’ve had on the show. The whole NBA thing, I just think that it’s, it’s hyped up. People believe it means something, but I think it does. Let’s talk about Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban. Do you wanna hear what Mark Cuban has to say about the M B a?

I would love to hear anything. Mark Cuban says, I think an MBA is a complete waste of money. What he says. I think an MBA is a complete waste of money. If you have a hole in your knowledge base, there’s a ton of online courses you can take. I don’t give any advantage to someone in hiring and in hiring because they have an MBA. That’s Mark Cuban, the, he owns the the Dallas Mavericks. He’s worth $1 billion. He sold technology to Yahoo back in the day. He’s doing well. Another example this is just should I slam the MBA’s more or should I just continue? You

Should we, should we move on? I can have you slam them real quick just for like a real world example that, that same accounting job that I had. So my first job in accounting accounts receivable before I was getting sold supplements in the men’s locker room I was in customer service and re realized that wasn’t going anywhere. So the one floor up in the accounting department they posted, cause they would send out this like a weekly newsletter. So I applied and I got an interview with the lady and she’s like, well, I’m looking at your resume and I’m not seeing that you have a bachelor or MBA that has anything to do with accounting. I was like, right. She goes, will you read the job post? It said, you know, not required, but they would. They’re looking for somebody who had that because for some reason that would be the secret sauce.

There we go. So I told her, I was like, Hey, I’m willing to give it a try. I want to go somewhere. So give me two weeks just to learn the software to learn how you guys work. I know how Excel works, know how to balance a spreadsheet and know how to send a payment, receive a payment. As long as I know the system, I think I can do it. How large was this company? It was, so, it was a Hertz. Hertz bought out dollar thrifty who I worked for beforehand. Oh, now, now we’re spilling the beans. Okay. Now I just needed some context. Okay. So I mean they were pretty big. Like when I was, when I was working with some of my biggest accounts that were like a car trawler and Travelocity, and we’d get like millions of dollars each week for their payments. Wow.

And so I learned the system and like two weeks and I was there for a good like year and a half without an MBA. Even though on the job posting it was like somebody with an MBA has to be able to do this. I just sat down for two weeks and said, Hey, how does this work? It didn’t have to go to school for four to six years. It is amazing. It’s amazing how just what a waste of time getting an MBA is. Let me, let me read a few more NBA related quotes here that I think will blow your mind. This is, this is what comes from Peter teal. The gentleman we quoted earlier who I was one of the early venture capital investors and Facebook, also part of the PayPal mafia that included Ilan to Musk and Reid Hoffman. He writes here, this is Peter teal.

He says, he says, never hire an MBA, they will ruin your company. Hmm. Yeah. I can only speak to the few times in my life that I’ve hired an MBA and it’s always terrible. Like it’s never good. Like they just, it’s absolutely awful. Again, now maybe you’re out there saying, I have an MBA and I didn’t ruin a company. Well then, great. You’re an outlier. I’m just saying Seth Goden, we’ve had him on the show too. Seth go, we’ve had him on the show, great, great entrepreneur. He says an MBA has become a two part. He’s become a a two part time machine first. The students are taught everything they need to know to manage a company from 1990 and second they’re taken out of the real world for two years while the rest of us race as fast as we possibly can. That’s, that’s a very good way to look at it.

So again, I would just encourage you, if you’re out there today and you’re getting to a place where you’re saying, I’m thinking about getting my MBA, don’t do it. This commercial brought to you by Oklahoma state university VA program? No, it’s not. All right, let’s continue. What? Who is the next super successful entrepreneur who did not have a college degree? Number? 49 is the most smiley chef you’ll ever meet Rachel or AME [inaudible] so Rachel is a genuinely happy person that has a real love for people and food will really makes her really make so many poor culinary school or school graduates mad is that she never had and formal culinary training, which is true. I’ve heard this from many, many people who have a, a formal culinary education which you actually went to school for. I’ve never talked to you about this, but I’ve heard people that don’t like her because she does not have formal training.

Have you heard this complaint about her? I have and I wanted to clarify yesterday that even though I did get my degree and go to school for it, I realized having met multiple chefs and seeing how far people have gone, it’s not necessary. Not necessary. If you want to do it, that’s fine. There’s a lot of debt that comes with it though. It’s not cheap. It’s very time consuming. And on top of that, it’s just like with any other degree, as soon as you get out in the world, they’re gonna say, Oh, you have a degree in this. Cool. How many or how many years have you spent in the kitchen? And then that’s the question cause you’re like, wait, I spent the past two years in a prep kitchen, but I don’t know the flow of everything, every high end place that I went and Tulsa rejected me because I had the degree.

I didn’t have to to paint that again. You just said, what do I want to hear this? You said that every high end place that you went to in Tulsa, they rejected me. They said that I could take a job as like a dishwasher or busboy so I could get the experience to work my way up to being aligned, cook to then hopefully spend four to five years doing that until the sous chef is gone. And the one reason was because, Oh, we get the fact that you went to a certified program, you have a two year degree, your associate’s in arts or whatever, like you clearly get the, it’s like when you learn Spanish, you learn like the textbook version. That’s what culinary school was. Now, let me tell you this. This is a little little secret here for the listeners out there.

I have friends who own banks who own large automotive businesses, who own huge companies. I’ve interviewed billionaires, millionaires. I’ve spent literally thousands of hours interviewing some of the world’s most successful people and one thing that I’ve heard off camera and off mic a lot is that if somebody has too many degrees, they don’t want to hire them. No. Because because they know it’s going to be very, very hard to get that person to be willing to start a job at an entry level position. Yep. We’re a low lower position because they have so much student debt and when somebody goes to school that mom at generally shows that they can’t do well in an entrepreneurial environment. Exactly. So I know that a lot of a lot of people out there have told me, listen, if the guy shows up and has multiple degrees, I’m probably not gonna hire that guy.

I just see dr Brett did I see I did. Oh dr Breck. Right on time. He’s about ready to join us on the show. As we’re talking about the top 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree. Jason, move onto entrepreneur number 50 dr Breck, welcome into the box and my friend. It is good to see you’re looking sharp by the way. He is looking great. I mean he always looks great, but broccoli floral pattern almost too great this morning. Okay, so move onto the 50th entrepreneur on our list of 73 entrepreneur success stories who do not have a college degree. So number 50 is Mr. Ray crock. He’s a high school dropout, but he was still able to systemize and franchise the McDonald’s hamburger chain. Yes. But up, up, up. Nobody was more passionate about saying, would you like fries with that? Then Ray Kroc, would you like fries with that and what? Yeah. So let’s talk about that for a second. Oh, dr Breck, have you ever been to McDonald’s? I have. Why do you believe McDonald’s has been so successful when you’re from Europe? You know, you’re a consumer. You’re a chiropractor, a guy, and Pat who’s

Had had success in the world of business. Why do you think that Ray Kroc and McDonald’s have had so much success? I think the biggest things are the processes and the consistency that they could bring the same product across the nation. Regardless of whether you are in California or North Carolina, you could get the same burgers. So you knew what you were getting every time you saw those golden arches. Now we called, we previously called on today’s show, we called our Dr. Timothy Johnson, who’s an ophthalmologist who has a degree. Right? And I wanted to get his take on this because today’s show is called the top 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a degree. As we’re two and a half, almost three hours into today’s show. I gotta, I gotta ask you this. Here you went. What? What college did you go to? I went to Oklahoma state for my undergrad and Oklahoma state for undergrad.

Got it. And then I went to Parker university for my chiropractic. And you learn everything about the spine, adjusting the human body. Talk to us about the things you learned at college that you use now on a daily basis. So I went from being a biology major to I ended up getting my bachelor’s degree in anatomy. Also had a minor in physics and chemistry. But that’s not going to change around a little bit, but yeah. And then in chiropractic we get a lot of nutrition. We get a lot of biomechanics. So you went to school just like Dr. Timothy Johnson did for a practical skill, very specific career, doctorate. And chiropractic is not going to allow you to do many things other than chiropractic now. So when you got out of school and you are a chiropractor, talk to me about all of the business related things they didn’t cover at all at college.

Some of the things where you go, it would have been nice if that doctor, I think it was Dr. Johnson brought it, they didn’t really teach search engine optimization or how to manage people. What kind of things did you not learn at chiropractic school or Oklahoma state that you would have wished that you would’ve been taught? Well, we did have a couple of classes. I’m in chiropractor school, so I think they did make an attempt, just not a phenomenal one. Search engine optimization was definitely not one of them. Not one of them. Okay. No. Okay. Managing people was, was not really one of them either. It was more like some business accountings and general business practices were shared. But what’s the hardest part about running a chiropractic business that you, I guess, cause you’ve had massive success over these past three years, you’ve really grown really well and you’ve, it’s well documented and you’ve talked about it on the show that those first, what, 15 years or so?

The first we’re at, we’re at 16, starting 16 now. So the first 13, 13 years were kind of struggling. They were rough, kinda rough. What are the things that you wish they would have taught at college that you would’ve wished you would’ve known because you, you kind of struggled in, in the wilderness for 13 years. Now you’re doing great. What are the things that you wish they would’ve taught you on the college campus marketing. Oh, getting those initial patients to come in the door was a big one that would have been nice to have an entrepreneur ring. What are they nice to teach you how to get customers. Got that right. Okay. Yeah. You can’t just hang out your shingle and a people just start showing up. Fortunately that’s not like a beacon that draws people in. Hm. So yeah, marketing would have been nice.

Managerial skills. How to manage humans, how to manage humans. Turns out it’s a lot harder to manage humans than most people think. That’s where most of my headaches come. The it is. People calling in sick. How many sick days do you typically have for your doctor, Brett? For myself? Yeah. None. See, that’s what I decided. I’m like, Oh, I had a sick day in 16 years. And then this is what’s interesting. This is why I get along with chiropractic. This is why I get along with entrepreneurs so much. I remember I, I w here’s a sick day. What is a sick day we did that. We don’t know what that is a call in. If you know what a sick day is. I would just say this. Years ago it was probably 2000 and I want to say like 12 or 13 something.

A buddy of mine, one of my former employees invited me over to dinner. So I’m at his house and he has steps that are pretty, it’s like the staircase here, there’s no railing [inaudible] and I’m walking off the side and we’re walking down the steps and my wife or somebody said something to me and I turn and I just walk off it like four foot drop off, right? No, it was like, and I just rolled that ink. I hear a puck and a man and I hear that pop and anyway, so I, one of my clients who’s a doctor, he sees this, it’s looks like the elephant man. The next day he sees this unbelievable swelling and he says, Hey, you want me to look at that real quick? And I’m like, well, yeah, yeah, sure. You know, cause I’m limping around everywhere. And he says, w just feeling around.

He’s like, I think you tore some ligaments or something. I’m going, all right. Well he says, well, you know, what you need to do is do this, do that, come here, go there and we’ll probably need to get surgery or something scheduled. You know, cause I can’t treat that. I’m a family physician. I just know what I’m feeling here. Right. He’s got his kind of an emphasis on some sports health stuff. You’re gonna need surgery for that man. Right. And you know what? I did what? Didn’t have surgery? Nope. And you, and you know what I’m, when the weather changes, it hurts. It hurts. But you know what? That kept my streak alive. But it got to be a business owner. You have to be kind of like Brett Farve. Yeah. And a lot of entrepreneurs aren’t very impressed by Cal Ripkin or Brett Farve. They’re like, that’s what you’re supposed to do.

You’re supposed to do. But the world marvels, when they meet people like you, they go, wow, you’ve never had a sick day. You’re the iron man. But every entrepreneur I’ve met at our workshops who’s super successful, I kind of feel bad now because about nine years. Well, okay, I think it’s about 10 years ago. You broke the street. Yeah. Now that you tell the story. I had been playing a weekend sport weekend warrior about 10 years ago. Tore my ACL. That was on Sunday. Went to work on Monday, limping around. Did get the MRI, did schedule surgery two Fridays later. So I did miss a Friday to get surgery. But you to work on Monday. I missed a Friday. I did, man, that is, that’s a week. So wow. You show some people in apology.

You should’ve kept working while having that surgery. That would have been impressive. You know, do you mind if I adjust your spine while this guy’s operating on time? ACL, that’s like, doc, is there any way we could set this for, you know, eight o’clock. Let’s see. I just like to leave everybody with the same quote. Cause what’s funny is like, I’ve, I’ve managed people for almost two years now. Two years. Yeah. And people ask, well, what do you do when you need to take sick day? I’m like, I don’t take a sick day. I’m like, well, what do you mean you don’t take a sick day? I don’t think about it as the, the great character Barney Stinson and it’s just one of my favorite characters of all time. But he has a line who’s Barney Stinson? Barney Stinson, making this up. So Barney Stinson is the what is he?

He’s like a, he’s like an architect. Well, actually know. So he’s like a Chandler from friends. Nobody really knows what he does at his job, but he gets paid a bunch of money to just wear a suit and be there. But he never, like, nobody’s ever seen him sick. And so like, Barney, how are you never sick? He’s like, I don’t get sick. Like what do you mean by that? And he goes like, when I start feeling sick, I stop feeling sick and start being awesome instead, therefore I’d never get sick. So when people ask you that like, well how do you not get sick? I mean I just start being, I’d choose to not get sick. I’ve just found if you’re an entrepreneur, you just, there’s no other backup plan. You are a plan a, you are the plan B. Let’s go on to entrepreneur number 51 I believe on our list of top 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree, some 51 you know him, you love him.

Mike Meyers character was inspired by him and is the one and only Richard Branson. Yes. If you’ve seen Austin Powers, Austin Powers and Richard Branson are the same person. Okay, so back to you Jason. So Richard Branson is the founder of many, many companies to name just a few. He founded Virgin records, Virgin mobile and Virgin Atlantic airways in 2007 he made it onto the 100 most influential people in the world list. He was also knighted in 2000 at Buckingham palace for his art, for your entrepreneurial success. He also dropped out of school when he was 16 he dropped out of school and he’s 16 years old and he’s going to space and go into space. Can I tell you man, he owns his own private Island. I that one of those. I’m kind of like, yeah, you can call that lead. Here’s, here’s something I, I’ll tell you this. I have a rule.

I’ll tell you this. You know what they say. I’m not going to follow you unless you have your own private Island. That’s what I say a lot. I’ve heard you say that one or two times. That’s a great quote. They say I’m not following him unless he has his own private Island. Now let me tell you about, do you guys know a lot about the Richard Branson story there? Dr Breck, do you know a lot about this guy? Not a lot. Let me just tell you a quick story. He’s somewhat familiar. He’s dyslexic. Okay. A really struggled to read. Teachers told him that he was basically mildly retarded, so he decided to drop out of school and guess what his first business was? Here we go, DJ. Ah, he started a newspaper. All right. But he can’t read. So he, I guess who his first advertiser was. Lloyd’s of London. Real guess who his first interview was with who? Whew. Mick Jagger. Wow. And then, and then just tell you this guy’s whole career, if you get a chance to read the book, losing my virginity. It is fascinating. He cold calls alphabetically through the, through the phone book

Back in the day and Lloyd’s of London. I was under the banks section. They answered the phone and he pitches, he convinces them that he has his hot student newspaper. He only has room left for one more advertiser and that, that in the banking industry, there’s Lloyd’s of London, London. And he mentions their competitor’s name and he’s like, now if you don’t do it, I’ll sell one to these people. Either way, I got to close out this issue and I’m like, okay, we’ll, we’ll close it out. So then he calls up Richard bran or calls up Mick Jagger’s agent and they said, well, kit, we get a lot of calls. We can’t just do random interviews with random, you know, newspapers. He, no, no, no. This is one. It’s created by students. It’s for students. We know what students want. And in fact, one of our advertisers we just got today was Lloyd’s of London.

And you’re like, Oh, that’s huge. That’s, that’s the biggest bank in that area. Right. So a, if he gets Mick Jagger booked and his mom’s like, Mick Jagger’s come into our house. And he goes, yeah. She’s like, how are you going to pull that off? So he renovates the house in terms of move stuff around and he gets a bunch of buddies from school to set up desks and it start calling each other. So it seems like there’s a lot of activity going on while he’s interviewing Richard Branson. And then he runs an ad in the paper that says that he is a, has this thing called Virgin records and if you want to get major records, major LPs vinyls that you love at a fraction of retail costs, you just call this number. Just call this number and a, so people would call the number and they’d say, Hey, I want to get the new rolling stones out.

And he goes, absolutely, we’re sold out, but thank you. I’ll let you know when we get it in. Then he keeps doing that and he realizes, Holy crap, I need to start a record company and he just continues to sort of resourcefulness and Ty his entire career read losing my virginity by Richard Branson. That’s a fascinating story. And now we move on to the next entrepreneur success story number 52 as we discussed, the top 73 entrepreneurs success stories without a college degree. Number 52 is Richard Scholz, who’s this guy will have you guys heard of best buy? I have. That’s the guy from best buy the guy that started best buy. Yeah. Okay. But you know what? He doesn’t have a degree to fall back on. That’s true. Dr Breck, I want to ask you this because you said, you mentioned you went to your undergraduate at Oklahoma state university.

I did. Please explain to me what kind of things you studied your freshman year that you use on a daily basis or a weekly basis or a monthly basis. Tell me anything at all. You learn those first two years at OSU that you use on a daily basis. Keg stand. No, no, no. Nope. Okay. Let’s get out. They were pretty hardcore there, Jason. That’s not what he does. I did take a what is it? A comp one comp one college, you know, English class where I do have to, I still do some writing, so that was a good point. Okay. That’s one useful thing. Okay. One point for college, I took a math class. I still use math. Okay. Two mega points. What are the things and then the other things were some heavy sciences and things that just were stepping stones to get me where I wanted to go, but I don’t use them daily today.

Tell me about the things you learned at college. You can remember it, some of the, some of the classes you took that at no point have you ever used no point of that is college. I do not on a daily basis at all use organic chemistry or inorganic chemistry. Okay. So that’s, we had two points for college. We just lost a point. What’s in our class? You to get college where you’re going. I mean, did you take psychology? I did. What about, I actually wrote into a psychology as a career. I’m glad you didn’t do that. Yeah, I almost got a minor in that. It’s really almost almost. Okay. I really enjoyed it. So Austrian psychology, what else did you study at college that you didn’t use it but you don’t use it all? I took a honors art appreciation kind of stuff that you learned in that cruciate and that I learned about the classic artist you know, different famous paintings and works of art, but which is great.

I mean, it’s fun. It’s fun fun. It’s not that it’s a great show on the discovery channel, right? Turns out the discovery channel for what a 100 bucks a month. You can get cable or YouTube TV for 50 bucks a month and you watch all that stuff and they don’t charge, you know, $400 a credit hour to get that stuff. Now, tell us about your education again. You have an undergraduate and what? It’s a, my bachelor’s degree is in anatomy. Your bachelor’s is in an act of science in anatomy. Got it. And what else do you and then have the minor in physics and chemistry. Got it. And then you are a chiropractor. Yeah, it’s truly impressive. Okay. Jason, we’re moving on here. Jason, we’re moving on. Tell us what the next successful entrepreneur who does not have a college degree. So that is number 53.

Mr Rob Cailin. Rob actually flunked out of a high school, but then after flunking out, he started Etsy using $50,000 of an investor’s money. And as of 2010, Etsy is worth over $300 million. Now I can tell you this, I know people that buy stuff on Etsy. I’ve never bought anything on Etsy. A brick of you for button 10 on Etsy? I don’t think so, but I’m confident to say my wife has. I feel like if you’re, if you’re a man and you try to buy something on Etsy, it immediately kicks you out. It’s actually kind of true. My fiance told me to look for like the specific ring on Etsy and she could always find it, but it was like I was blocked. You know why? Cause you’re a dude. That’s true. It’s a, it’s a provision they put in there. I’m just telling you, it’s very I know women that love it.

I can’t figure it out. I’ve, I haven’t really tried, but I do know my wife has bought stuff on Etsy really? And I think my wife has too. And your girlfriend does? Yup. I just, I very rarely find a dude who buys things on Etsy. But Etsy, good job doing well at T turns out it’s doing well, Jason. This Justin who is the next successful entrepreneur who does not have a college degree. That is mr Ron. Is it appeal? Yeah. Romp appeal, baby. He invented houseware appliances, like the beef jerky machine, the choppa Matic and the Showtime rotisserie and barbecue. But wait, there’s more. He did not go to college. Ron Popeil, you guys ever seen the the meet dehydrator that my grandparents had one. I was telling somebody about this just a couple of weeks ago that as a kid they would dehydrate apples and bananas, you know, perfectly good beef. Turn it beef jerky. Was

It good? It actually was. Yeah. I can tell you this. [inaudible] Can I get used to some of the fruits being dried up and that was kinda, you know, a lot of Apple. I wasn’t used to having Apple chips. I can tell you this. My dad growing up he’s, he, you know, he’s kinda like run the, he, he would just a DJ dehydrate me. Just go out there and you know, and he was standing in the sun at work. I’m just kidding to go out there and work. No water for you. Just kidding. Now he has a great book that he wrote and that I have actually a read it called the salesman of the century and it is awesome. Like he breaks down what makes things sell and it’s crazy. That book is sales with the century is awesome. It’s fun. It’s a fun read.

And you start hearing about like, remember the kid did the spray hair? Yes. You remember this canned hair, the canned hair. But Jason, have you heard about this is a spray hair? Oh no, it’s, it’s making a comeback. Like it’s, think I have a patient who has, I found a candidate, like an old candidate at the in the product room at the broken arrow elephant I opened. I was like, what is this? And I just like, Oh, I need to use this dog. Are you being serious? Yeah, it’s okay. It’s a spray here. It’s let me find, let me see. I can find the commercial here. This is a, let me crank it up a little bit here.

Do you have to have someone else do it for you? Here we go. I’m going to do mine right now. Okay. I’m going to use a, should I use dark Brown or a silver? Black, black, dark Brown. The lady said over there, here we go. Silver. Black. I want dark Brown ladies. Dark Brown, dark Brown. But the point here is that you can, anybody can do this themselves. You don’t have to have somebody do it for you. Oh wow. Right, right, right. You all see my, I better check my own bald spot back here. I can see it just like in the TV commercials. Okay, it’s there. Let me one second. Here you go. Split this on. Now you see it. You’re about three inches away. Later on in the show. I’m gonna wash it out right in front of you so you can see how it looks after we use the hair cleanser. Okay. Did dry try. I’m going to use my Pat and GLH system shield here. Okay, here we go. Just gonna this with this, you really don’t have to look in the mirror. Oh wow. How’s it possible? Okay, that’s it. That’s it.

No more bolts, but Hey, wait, wait. There’s more, there’s more. He’s gonna brush it out. Now

Try. But I’m a little impatient and so let me just do a little brushing here. Oh, wow. It can’t hurt the mirror. It can’t hurt the scale. What do you think? Yes.

I mean, if you can sell canned hair, spray hair, your assessment, you got a salesman way to go. Ron Popeil. Yes. Alright, Jason, we’re on entrepreneur number

55. Who has, who’s had major success without the benefit of a college degree. That is mr. Rush Limbaugh, the conservative talk show host that America loves to hate. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But did you know he’s a college dropout? I did. No, he’s a college grant drop out. And I did know this. He actually made $84 million in 2017 nice. Alone. Yeah. This guy, I’m just telling ya, had a lot of success without a college degree. Let’s move on to entrepreneur number 56 there. Jason. That is the one and only mr. Hi, I’m Ruthie [inaudible]. Nice. Russell Simmons is the man behind introducing the world to hip hop music. Also big sponsor of the green dot card. Mm Hmm. If you get a chance to look into Russell Simmons life, his book, life and death is unbelievable. But he introduced the world to basically hip hop as we know it today.

So you’re talking about the Beastie boys. Yep. You’re talking about run DMC and he started Def jam recordings, which ultimately signed Jay Z and huge artists. And he also was the founder of the fat farm company. He’s the co producer of the hit film, the nutty professor. He has an estimated net worth right now, $340 million. And your cat’s named after. I did name my largest cat after Russell Simmons and Russell’s a sweetheart. And I love that kid. Yeah, he’s a massive, and they’ll tell you what little sneaky, sneaky, sneaky feature about Russell Simmons, the cat. If you don’t pet him, he’ll bite your toes. I’m not kidding. And he like is really nice, but if you don’t pet him, he’ll straight up bite your toes. I’ve never seen a cat like that that says movement. Just, huh? And I’m like, that’s the humans a secret to success.

Unbelief. Seriously. Have not, because you ask not have not cause you bite. Not Russellville. Just, I mean seriously. My cat Russell here, that guy, he’ll look right at me and he says, you know, they say, if you won’t pet me, I’ll bite ya a cost. I’ll look at Russell, look him in his little cat eyes. He’s, then they say, if you don’t pet me, I’ll bite chip. Okay, let’s move on. Now Jason, man talking cat, that can make you a lot of money. But the most of the conversations that I’ve had with the cat, I tend to record to not freak out or listeners. All right, nicely. So number 57 is S Daniel Abraham. Yes. Mr Abraham started SlimFast and it’s now worth a reported two point $1 billion. Wow. But no degree. What? Nope. How is it possible that he doesn’t have a degree in nutrition from the university of the market?

Does not care about whether you have a degree or not. How can you possibly sell slim fat Dr. Brock? How do you think he could sell slim fast without having a degree in nutrition? I just don’t know. It’s bad. I don’t. I mean it’s boggling. All I would say is if you’re out there listening today and you can find a problem that the world is willing to pay you to solve, you can make a lot of money. Years ago I met the guy who invented the red gas can. Yes. He’s crushing it. Crushing it. Unbelievable success. Why? Because he turned, it turns out people want a gas can to store some extra gas. He made it red, which is more memorable and there it is there red gas can

With the yellow top on us on believable. Jason Beasley, back to you in the booth there. My friend who is the next entrepreneur who’s had massive success without the benefit of a college degree. That is Samuel Truett Cathy. Okay, so true. It’s attended high school in Atlanta and later served honorably in the United States army during world war two. Yep. But yet he never found the time to earn a college degree. True. True. It started his chicken empire by opening his first chicken focused restaurant, the dwarf grill at the age of just 25 dr Breck, how often do you go to Chick-fil-A? My kids love Chick-fil-A. We actually have created our own little song about how one of my children is going to turn into a chicken because she just wants to eat Chick-fil-A. Really horrible. Yeah. You know, we had some employees for me back in the day, we had a guy named Roman Johnson and another employee by the name of Cody Aldridge.

They teamed up to write a song about a Chick-Filet a called see you on Sunday or see you on Monday, on Monday to talk about how they want it to be open. But it’s longing at the window on Sunday, right? They go to a chicken on a Sunday and they want it to be open, but it’s not. Right. So I’m going to go ahead and crank up the, the song. I’m going to play this as we take a quick a strategy, a break here. So if you haven’t heard this song, it’s called see on Monday, Chick-Filet by Roman Johnson. And Cody Aldridge. Let me hit play on the track here. Let me get this cued up here.

I’ve got something to say. I never wanted something so bad in my lifetime, but I can’t have it cause it’s Sunday. I know what you Chick-fil-A. It all started. I was driving down the street, saw a cow with the sign and told me what I should eat more chicken. Yo. Then I started trip in love at first taste. When I look at your face, my whole world stands still. So does Tom space six whole days at my favorite place. Yeah. A lovesick today. Three little single bullets shift filet. I feel so far away. [inaudible] Chick-Fil-A [inaudible]. See you on Monday with strips. Nuggets. Oh ma, I could cry just by thinking about a waffle front. Unlike a little boy feeling like 1 million bucks when now open up. Machar grill chicken deluxe spicy with the meaty young Luminate fire meets ISIS to flavor grenade. Now shake. Yeah. Cookies and cream cookies. Equally [inaudible] so five away Chick-fil-A mouse. See you on pirate. Who just found the treasure. When you hand me your meal and you say, Mark, pleasure. Yeah, I could bathe in sweet tea. I need you right now when the no, you need me. See, we could be your family. Little chicken minis. One an ice stream. True. With Kathy. I could give you a kiss for dreaming so big. Now listen to this.

I feel so far. Anyway. Yeah. Chick-fil-A. And now I’ll see you on Monday one together. [inaudible] Number house. See you on Monday. Three vice as with the sweet tea. Hold the pickup check. See them.

Oh, big shout out to Roman Johnson and Cody Aldridge at great. A great gift they gave to Arthur Greeno. They’re the owner of the Chick-Filet office. 71St in Garnette. Ah, dr Brentwood. That was a little better than our home version. It’s, that’s, it’s a, we made up our own little dish. There’s is far better. They went to the next level quite yet some most levels up. What’s the most money you’ve spent at Chick-fil-A at one time? Oh, I have no idea. I dropped 200 bucks yesterday at Chick-fil-A 300 catering center. We have the kid’s birthday party. And so it’s like, okay, let’s get some chicken soup. I invite got lost in the mail. I get, let me tell you this. I gave, did you get one? I didn’t. Oh I gave a scorn. It was for the, basically it’s basically their, their cheer group, you know, the cheer girls.

But they got so much Chick-fil-A that weren’t given away an entire tray of like a 60 piece to people when they’re leaving. It’s like a of gift. Like, Hey, you take some, cause you know, it’s like people loved Chick-Filet and I think we might’ve overestimated how much chicken they wanted. I was at an event where about a hundred men were served Chick-fil-A sandwiches. Really? yeah. So I mean I’ve been in some of those situations where there is lots and lots of Chick-fil-A being handed out very quick. Why do your kids love Chick-fil-A? Because he doesn’t have a college degree, but he was able to solve a problem that the world had. I know the world already. There was already companies serving fried chicken. So we did, he didn’t do that. They claimed to have not created fried chicken but created the chicken sandwich.

Is that they do call it the head gun. That however, why do you think your kids go there? I know. I know. You’re a Feedly. Why? Why my kids go there? I’ll maybe I’ll go first. You can one up me. Maybe I’ll say this. The customer service there is ridiculous. It is. You go in there, you go into Popeye’s chicken. It’s like you’re dealing with captain sarcasm. My pleasure. The food, the food at Popeye’s is awesome. Yeah, it’s great, but Chick-fil-A is service is next level. Yup, it is, but the food is great at Popeye’s too, right? They’ve got that fun zone for the kids to slide the whole deal, you know? Then they got the cow mascot always there. The bathrooms are clean. I think the cow marketing was genius. The wall. It’s not about just the food and see a lot of entrepreneurs get that wrong. They go out there, they get their MBA, they do their market research. They hop into the marketplace. After doing their SWOT analysis. They’ve analyzed their strengths, their weaknesses, their opportunities, and their threats. They go out there and they open their business and the customer service sucks or they don’t have a fun slide for the kids. You’ve got to solve a problem that the world has. I just would say true at Cathy. Big shout out to you. Great job, great service. I worry though about what your family will fall back on because you do not

Have a college degree. Jason, whose number 59 on our list here. Oh yeah. So number 59 is the man himself, Sean John Combs. So Sean Combs, puff daddy, P Diddy, or as many simply call him. [inaudible] Is a parttime owner in Ciroc vodka and has an estimated net worth today of $855 million. Now he could have gotten his college degree, but he was spending time discovering people like Mary J Blige, the notorious VIG Joe to see and other hip hop and R and B artists that he helped to produce and promote in route to revolutionizing the music industry. Right? No college degree. I didn’t want to put out a little music himself. Oh yeah. Even just a little bit. Can’t stop, won’t stop. Think about this. P Diddy, no degree, no, no degree. How do you do it? What you do is if you’re out there, you look for a problem that you can solve.

That’s how you do it. So he realized, look, the music industry is over here, and he was going to college and Howard university, and you realize that the people at the clubs, the people on the campus wanted music over here and this area. But the industry was over in a different area. He realized there was an unmet niche and an unmet need. And so he showed up and he introduced the world to the notorious VIG and to faith Evans and a lot of artists that people know now, but he was able to merge in and he took music from like the 80s and the 70s and revamped it with hip hop over it. And it just worked very, very well. Worth $855 million today. Insane. Unbelievable. Let’s move on to entrepreneur and an entrepreneur number 60 who does not have a college degree. So that’s Mr. Sean Parker. So let’s go all the way back to the good old days of 1999 try to convince Mr. Parker to stop creating the first peer to peer platform Napster and focus on his studies after all, his success depends on it, but without earning a college degree, Sean is now worth a report at $3 billion and as a fan, much like yourself of auto didacticism.

Yep. Which is about self education and self teaching. If you’ve seen the movie I’m social network with about the Facebook story, right. His character was played by Justin Timberlake, right. Dr Breck, do you remember what it was like to be on a college campus when Napster came out? I do. Wouldn’t you pull an all nighter downloading everything? It was a free for all. It was. It was a great time to be alive. Seriously. But I wasn’t in college campus at ORU. Everybody downloaded every song, you know, the I don’t know what they’re called, like the portfolio of CDs, like everybody had these huge, massive, you know, binders or what they kind of look like binders. Almost like a, I’m a trapper keeper. Yeah. Like a trap or like an enormous while. I still have one that looks sort of like I’m, I mean some of them got so large, they look like some kind of thermal, you know, food carrying device. Yeah, yeah. I mean, and they were just full of blank, you know, like non store bought, non labeled CDs that somebody that you know, with a Sharpie had written on, you know, this is puffed dad. I was gonna say P Diddy. Yeah.

Depending on what year it was. I got a different name. Oh yeah. A lot of third eye blind. A lot of green day download his dude. Dude, did it do, do, do I remember that dude that I, but I will just say that I will, I think my freshman and sophomore year at oral Roberts university, people were downloading everything and everything. And you know what one of the things about being a successful entrepreneur that that’s really gonna irritate, hopefully none of our listeners, but some people out there [inaudible] and I’m gonna make a note of all of the ones I can think of just off the top of my head that broke the law in route to breaking a system right in route to break in the bank. So think about this, Airbnb, have you ever used Airbnb? I have an Airbnb is a rule to be illegal in some places because it requires, it allows people to rent their house without a hotel here in Tulsa, you’re not allowed to.

Really? Yeah. The city of Tulsa has ordinances that don’t allow you to rent out your extra space or your house while you’re gone. But I know people that do it and they know like broken arrow, you can do it. Tulsa, you can, it stinks. But, and then Uber [inaudible] Uber you can use, you know, Uber has taken the place of taxis. True Airbnb allows you to rent out unused portions of your house or your house when you’re on vacation. Right? Airbnb, Uber allows you to take your car and to turn it into basically a taxi, but without getting a taxi license, right? Lyft allows you to do the same thing. You know, you’d think about Napster. Napster was a huge hit that ended up breaking the industry and then it turned into iTunes, right? But at first, I bet he saw a need. Like you may, some artists may put out an album that has, you know, 10, 12 songs on it, and then they want two good ones, Brian.

So he’s like, Hey, why buy the whole album? I only want the two songs. Another example would be Apple. So Apple started in a garage, right? Turns out if you read the Tulsa city ordinances or your own local city’s ordinances, you can’t build a hardware company out of your garage. Another example, another example, these are just ideas. Google they started out by essentially downloading the internet, right? And organizing it. But I don’t think a lot people realize this. They started on the campus of Stanford. Okay. Using computers that the school owned, right. Without the permission of the school. They were using unused computers. Some would say stole the computers. They would say borrowed the Beatles probably, you know, broke some sound ordinances, you know, practicing in the ground. There you go. Another one is Hewlett Packard, Hewlett Packard. That’s a company that was started in a shed.

Now I don’t know that if you can start a hardware company in a shed, I’m not sure if you could start a a hardware company while starting in a shed, but this is what you have to, you have to look for a problem that you can solve. And a lot of times after you’ve spent too much time on a college campus, you can’t think about ideas that work like the purple cow standing out in the cluttered world of commerce with the met with a message. Cause you think about the risk of it, right? You can’t come up with a no brainer offered. It’s hot. No. So often you were part of the herd. I want to ask you as dr Breck, what is the no brainer offer that you [email protected] your chiropractic practice? That is a hot deal because a lot of our listeners out there are saying, well clay, give me an example of a no brainer that’s practical for my business.

It was, so we’ll start with your, they have to what we consider a no brainers. So the first one is for the high, high price of free. Wow. And that is a consultation and an exam. Any necessary x-rays, Andrew, first treatment, all at no cost, no obligation. And the second one is that you can have that same service, that first visit all the exam, the consultation, the first treatment, and a second treatment as well as a massage. And that just costs you $35 real. Really? Okay. Repeat it one more time. So we got, there’s still, you get to, so I gotta write this down. You get the initial visit with all of the diagnostic workup that we need to do. Yep. You get a follow up visit to make sure that we’re taking care of that need. And also a massage with a licensed massage therapist and that is $35.

And that’s dr [inaudible] dot com. If you’re living in the Tulsa area, you can claim that. Or if you’re in town for a workshop, maybe check it out. Let’s talk about purple cow marketing. You have one of your colleagues or one of your competitors that turned a former Kentucky fried chicken. No, you’re going to a chiropractic office. They do. Could you please explain to listeners out there why he did not take down the iconic KFC buckets? Well, I had the, I had the pleasure of covering his clinic while he wanted, went on vacation several, several years ago, probably 12, 13 years ago. Yup. And so I also had the pleasure of asking why did you keep the bucket? So he has a very quickly recognizable building as a former KFC. And the, the bucket that typically sits above the dormer on the front isn’t painted red and white anymore, but it’s painted white and it’s still there.

And he said, you know, everybody knows where that bucket is. That’s hilarious. I mean, it was just one of the, he could have just as easily with a Hacksaw, cut it off. I know a time down hold, everybody knows I’m the building with the bucket. I’ve met a lot of people who know about the chiropractor, who has the bucket right in broken arrow and love it, hate it, market, whatever. You will know who he is. It may be controversial, but it’s working for him because he’s instantly recognizable. You know exactly where he’s at. And I think a lot of people don’t recognize that Colonel Sanders, some of alleged curdle sound Sanders was actually part of the Illuminati. And so he sort of controls the universe by keeping that bucket up there. It’s attract attractor beam pulls people in. Let me queue up an audio audio sample where, where Mike Meyers in the movies. So I married an Axe murderer. Is it his, his father in the movie is explaining the, the the powers of Colonel Sanders, right? He’s explaining the Illuminati ties of Colonel Sanders. And then you’ll understand now that the, the power of the bucket, yeah, it’s memorable, but it’s also serving as like a tractor beam. And some would say it’s pulling in patients from all over the, all over the broken arrow area.

[Inaudible] School. It’s a well known fact, sunny Jim, that there’s a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world known as [inaudible], who learn everything in the world, including the newspapers and meat. Try annually as a secret country mansion in Colorado. Note ads, the Meadows. So who’s in this [inaudible], the queen, the Vatican, the Getty’s, the last Childs unkillable Sanders before he went [inaudible]. I hated that Colonel with his weed. BD eyes on that smug look on his face. Ooh, you’re going to obey my chicken. Although fed, how can you hate the Colonel? Because he puts an addictive chemical. It’s chicken that makes it clear it fortnightly, smartass.

Oh, I would say is that there’s a lot. I mean, if you’re out there struggling for a looking for a purple cow, maybe find an old, abandoned a Kentucky fried chicken. Keep the bucket up there and start adjusting spines. All right, so we’re moving on to number 61 yes sir. So number 61 is Mr. Simon cow. So in 2019 Fords reported Simon Kal earn $49 million and he’s the man behind the X factor American idol. But can he truly achieve success without a college degree? Okay. How much did you earn last year? That was $49 million. Think about this for a second. He earned $49 million last year. Yeah, just insulting people saying it’s a no for me, I want, I want to make sure we’re getting this idea. If you go today to Oklahoma state and you get their MBA [inaudible], if you go to Oklahoma state and you get a degree in business management, if you get a degree in psychology, what career could you possibly go after after getting a degree?

Or what degree could you possibly get that would equip you to earn a career, to get into a career, to find a path that would say if you, once you have a degree in business administration, you can make $49 million a year. You’re not going to find that. So if you’re going to go out there and you want Epic success, you got to break the mold. You got to make it so you either have, you have to decide to, it’s a fork in the road. If you want to become a chiropractor, I’m a welder, a dentist, a doctor, a lawyer, you’re going to need a degree for those kinds of things. So now you have a skill, a tool. Now once you have your skill and your tool, you have to decide, do you want to be a technician where you actually do, you actually will do the welding yourself.

You actually do the dentistry yourself or do you want to build an empire? And so I think what you’re seeing here with the dr Breck today would be an example of a guy who you have treated patients yourself for years and you love doing it, but now you’re in the process of kind of scaling and taking the practice to another level where maybe eventually you have other many other doctors on your team. We’re talking to some now. There you go. Yeah. So we’ve been doing a lot of foundational groundwork. But now that we’ve done that work, we feel like we’re heading into the next phase. So you’re willing actually making some of these things happen. So you willing to put in the work, put in the rebar you put in the rebar, the foundation of getting that skill needed to pay the bill and systems.

So a lot of things that the coaching has helped with me is a processes and systems. And so there were a number of things that we needed to correct or do better that to allow us to scale. We were initially not in a position to be able to scale. So I look at it like this. You have laid the foundation when you get the skill, the degree, the certification, however you get that, what you need to get that skill and you have to get it one of two ways. You’re one, you get a degree for a profession where you are, where you are required to write. But if you wanna become a record producer, you got to inter. Yep. The best way to gain the knowledge is by doing it. So again, the fork in the road, how are you going to get that foundation?

Are you going to get the degree because you might need it for certain skills or are you going to intern? How are you going to get that hands on that, that skill. Then the second layer is you got to build the systems while delaying gratification, right? So you’ve got to nail it down. Then you can scale it and you’re kind of on that scale it phase now, but you’re willing to put in the work and eat it. So if you’re listening today and you’re going, wow, all these people don’t have a degree and they’re all super successful, perhaps I don’t need a degree. What I’m saying is I think two thirds of our listeners don’t need a degree, but some of them do. Yeah. What I’m saying is not any one route that’s going to get you there, right? I need to be open to what is going to be necessarily what’s really not necessary and you got to pay for that degree still.

So, I mean, if you’re getting a degree in psychology, yep. And or underwater basket weaving, it’s not going to be very useful to you. Now you want your mouth underwater basket. Now what I, what I, what I’m, what I’m railing against is this idea that everybody by just virtue of being born right, that you need to go get a degree. I disagree with that path. My daughter’s 14 right now and she was talking with grandma about maybe wanting to be a veterinarian or an orthodontist, right? If that’s the case, then go to college. Going to that degree, let’s go practice veterinary medicine without a license. But if you don’t want to become something that requires a license or a certification, then don’t get it. I just see, I see so many personal trainers in the world of fitness who are super poor and have tons of certifications, right.

Did I see some people in the fitness industry who have like one certification but they are bonafide? And when it comes to building systems and marketing and strategy, you’ve got to learn so much more than just a skill that pays the bills. But you’ve got to get a foundational skill. If you’re listening today, what is your core skill that will pay the bills? You’ve gotta learn those skills. Jason, who’s the success story? The these, the 62nd entrepreneur success story without a college degree. Oh, that is the iconic Steve jobs I’ve heard of him. Oh, here we go. Sounds familiar. So at the bowl, the company that Steve jobs cofounded with Steve wasn’t yet is currently worth over $1 trillion sick, but that’s pretty impressive. That’s a pretty unimpressive number. If you consider how high he could have earned had he had a college degree, now they’ll load real quick. Steve jobs, I want to cure. I want to queue up a Steve jobs quote here. I want all the listeners to hear what Steve jobs has to say about the importance of passion. If you decide to become an entrepreneur,

You have to have a lot of passion for what you’re doing and it’s totally true and the reason is is because it’s so hard that if you don’t, any rational person would give up. It’s really hard and you have to do it over a sustained period of time. So if you don’t love it, if you’re not having fun doing it, you don’t really love it you’re going to give up. And that’s what happens to most people actually. If you really look at the ones that ended up being successful unquote in the eyes of society and the ones that didn’t, oftentimes it’s the ones that are successful, loved what they did so they could persevere when you know, when it got really tough,

You’ve got to have a passion for something. Dr Breck, if you did not have a passion for what you were doing, wouldn’t it make sense rationally to have quit years ago cause you went through the absolute hell of trying to build your own business for 13 years. You got to a point where it was really an exercise in futility. I feel, I mean, I’m not sure if it was so much passion as stupidity at some points. I feel like that if you don’t have a backup plan, yeah. Burn the ships. That’ll create a sustained motivation. Do you think I do and I think, but talk to me about a way forward. Talk to me about how you kept yourself from quitting. Oh goodness. One, I’m I’m my background, my my, what do you put my ethnicity? I’m German, Jew, so I’m just stubborn.

So that’s a big part of it. And then you know, I just believed in being able to continue to work hard, just continue each and every day working hard persevering and at one day that it would pay off. And I think it was kinda the work harder, not smarter on many days and that wasn’t always working out. But at the same time, sometimes you just have to outlast the next guy. And so, you know, the right opportunities started to come along at different points that help keep me going. I’m going to queue and I’ve got a great wife. You have a great one. I do it. Yeah. We’ve been married 18 years, 18 years today actually. Wow. Can I be anniversary honey? And so yeah, I mean, between the two of us, she helped immensely in many ways financially supporting us as well as just the emotional side of things, being a partner.

But yeah, I mean, let me tell you something that is dangerous about college. Steve jobs is going to share with you his worldview. There was an interview he did in 1995 where he explained the incompetence of most teachers and it’s pretty direct. And I think if you listen to this, you’re going to go Whoa. So let me just kind of cue it up real quick. The question was asked, Steve, why do you donate Apple computers to schools? Are you passionate about teachers? And he said, no, no, no, no, no. Essentially in spite of teachers, I donate to the schools cause I want the kids to have access to the tools, the learning device. But the majority of the people that work at the schools could not handle it. At Apple. They, we don’t take fall break, spring break, summer break, Christmas break. We don’t get a study hour. We don’t get tenure, it’s called Apple. Right? So I want everybody to listen to, this is Steve jobs. You can find this full interview by doing a Google search or a YouTube search for Steve jobs. Last interview. I’m going to, I’m gonna play just a few minutes of it and then we’re going to break it down for the listeners out there. So here we go. This is Steve jobs talking about the dangers of allowing your kids to be taught by people who are not competent.

You know, I think when you’re young a little bit, of course correction goes a long way and, and I think it takes pretty talented people to do that. And, and I don’t know that enough of them get attracted to go into public education. You can’t even support a family of what you get paid on what you get paid. And if you’re smart, and I sort of feel somebody smart enough to, that you want to turn your kids over to them for the majority of their, their childhood. I mean, the majority of their waking hours in their childhood are spent not with your parents, but with your teachers. Sure. I’d like the people that are teaching my kids to be good enough that they could get a job at the company I work for making $100,000 a year. Well, why should they work at a school for 35 $40,000 a year if they could get a job here at $100,000 a year? I mean, that’s not an, is that an intelligence test? I mean, so I think we should basically be hiring them and paying them $100,000 a year. But the problem there of course is the unions. The unions are the worst thing that ever happened to education. Because it’s not a meritocracy. It turns into a bureaucracy, which is exactly what’s happened. And teachers can’t teach and administrators run the place and nobody can be fired. It’s terrible. Well, so, so people say that. [inaudible]

[Inaudible] So you said, and nobody, nobody can be fired. It is terrible. My whole family, like the family business is education. Oh. so yeah, this goes against, no, it’s quite all right. But I totally agree with him. I mean, the teachers union protects bad teachers and you don’t have the merit to be able to pay qualified, better teachers. So yeah, the system is broken. If you’re out there listening today, I want to make sure all of listeners know that a lot of times we have, we have show sponsors, people that invest a lot of money into the show.

And today’s show is not sponsored by the Oklahoma teacher’s union. Not, this is not. So, Jason, let’s move on to entrepreneur number 63 who’s had major success without having a college degree. So I’m sure you guys are familiar with, you know, shoes shoe. Oh yeah, yeah. I wear shoes most most days. Yeah. Yeah. So mr Steve Madden is an icon worth a reported $120 million. But someone question Steve Maddens priorities when they discover that he chose to pursue building his $100,000 business, $100 million, a hundred, sorry, $100 million brand, rather than earn a college degree. Some people just don’t know how to prioritize this guy art. It’s worth $100 million. And he says, you know what? I don’t have time to go to college. I’m building this brand. He pieces out builds the brand. Let’s talk about entrepreneur number 64 who’s that conversation went with? Mom and dad. Hey man, I don’t know son real quick though for Steve Madden, I knew nothing about him before other than the name like you, you’ve mentioned him before and I’m like, I should look into that.

I just listened to this great podcast that he was on. One I didn’t realize that homeboy went to jail and then came back and just completely dominated. But his whole mentality comes from when he was growing up. His dad would actually sit him down every morning and make him read all of the people in the newspaper that were filing for bankruptcy. And so that’s one of the things that drove him. He was just like, I’m never going to be on that page. Tell us about why you went to prison. That he didn’t get into that too much, but it had something to do with what podcast did you listen to. So that is on a deck Shepard’s armchair expert. They do chair expert do a thing weekly where it’s experts on experts. So they have all these like wow doctors and politicians and like big influencers and everything.

But I recommended it because one, he’s just, I didn’t, he has this like deep Bronx accent. Like he’s just like, he sounds like an old school gangster, but yeah, they they even referenced them in the Wolf of wall street. I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, they utilized his a, I guess not character but persona cause he was, he was big with all of those guys. So that’s partly what got him in trouble. But he came back, reformed himself and he’s, he’s awesome. He’s got a great backstory. All right, well speaking of a great backstory, dr Breck, tell us about your chiropractic. That’s a perfect segue. Okay. Moving on by entrepreneur number 64, who’s had massive success. Got another Steve, Steve Wazniak. So he may be a billionaire and co founder of Apple, but he doesn’t have a fancy degree, so nobody cares. But maybe you should name your kid Steve or John.

There’s like a half of them and John Wazniak is worth six or sorry, four point $3 billion as at the time of this recording. 4.3 million. Now we’re moving on to entrepreneur number 66 of 73 we’re covering today again, 73 entrepreneurs success stories that did not earn a college degree. Who’s number 66 so that is Theodore. Quit. What? Quote theory. Wait, so he’s the co founder of a company called gateway quot. He sold more computers in the ER in the 1990s than he could probably count to compensate for the fact that he did not get a degree. This guy, unbelievable guy worth billions. 4.34 point 3 billion. That is unbelievable.

If you’re out there listening today, again, you don’t need a degree to go out there and to achieve massive amounts of success. Whatever happened to the gateway computer. Ah, well it’s kind of a thing where the world has shifted and he was the first guy to show up with the just-in-time computer [inaudible] which means that when you placed the order arm line coming in the box and yeah, when, yeah, so when you had ordered online though, they would make it in order the parts to make it after you ordered it. Okay. Where everybody else had the inventory Siddiq yeah. So he was the first one to do that. Now there’s other competitors that are on the show. Yeah. He’s still doing very, very well. But I would just say that correlated into other things. Yeah. It’s unbelievable. And I just a quick correction here just to make sure we get this accurate here.

We have a theater or wait is worth 4.3 billion. However, Steve Wasniak is worth over a hundred million, not worth 4.3 billion. And the reason why I got those confused was I just read the wrong order. So again, Steve Wasniak is worth over a hundred million, but it is Steve is theater or wait, who is worth 4.3 billion and we continue Jason. Yup. So a number of 66 is Nikola Tesla. I’m just kidding. It’s Thomas Edison. Oh, okay. So good old Tom invented many things. He was the inventor of the modern light bulb and also the inventor of recorded sound and recorded or sorry, recorded video and recorded audio. He also founded general electric, but he didn’t invent a way for himself to achieve all of that access while earning a college degree. He didn’t invent a way to get a degree while inventing all these things.

And I bet I bet you if we could, could get a look into Thomas Edison’s head, his cranium. Yeah, I bet you you spent the vast majority of his time wandering around saying if I had a college degree, maybe I’d be able to have a successful, well, think about it. How many patented inventions did he have? I will look that up real quick. He has an unbelievable amount of patents credited to his name. I will get the actual number real quick. It’s not to wonder how many universities would like to give him an honorary degree. Thomas 93 1093 patents and inventions. You could not have done the U S and 512 worldwide. Geez. Wow. Sick. Moving on to number 67 Tom Anderson. Yes. So worth a reported 60 million. Tom Anderson gave us my space, which gave the hip producing band one Republic. The platform needed to finally gain their first record deal.

Yet Tom did not block out the time needed to form a study group to earn that degree, but he was still everybody’s first friend. Do you remember my space? Dr Breck? I do. That was a, I had a, a am I space account always kept Thomas my number one friend. Just that picture of him just like looking over shoulder smiling. It’s like he’s a good guy. A fun story here for you. I’m my space in 2009 had a 1600 employees and as of a 2016 obviously it was a a not as big of a thing, right? But in the meantime, in 2011, Justin Timberlake actually purchased my space. I remember that. And then he sold it to time, a

Time media, the guys who do time magazine, that kind of thing. So and we continue, Jason, who’s our next successful top entrepreneur. Next entrepreneur is Ty Warner. So Ty had gone to college, he would’ve learned about piracy, the Mesopotamian river Valley cuneiform and the like, yet he chose to invest his time and money into founding the beanie baby beanie babies. Yes. Wow. So beanie babies went on to give him a report in net worth of two point $7 billion. Dr Breck, did you ever click beanie babies? I did not, but my wife did. When she has a massive collection of beanie babies. She does. She still to this day? Yeah. They’re in a box somewhere at her dad’s house or sell them. I haven’t seen them. What’s your incredible wife’s name? Brooke. Brooke. I’m just putting this out there to the universe here. Brooke put the beanie babies out.

Brooke put Jason into Meco, bro. Put the beanie babies out, put them out. So all of your possessions and collected for beanie become a hoarder of the beanie babies. I’ve met people like this does it that seriously to this day as 40 year old adults, they’re buying them Western. Yeah, they, I mean even back then they thought these are going to be worth more later. I don’t know why they thought they’d be calm, collected, but they weren’t wrong. I want people to think that about things that I said tag in the year. I would love it if people would buy books that I write and say, I’m not even going to read it. It’s just to be worth, it’s going to be worth more in the future. Just put a little name tag on it. If there’s no bend in the binding, it’s worth just name all the books and yours.

Okay. That’s a beanie baby did. There’s just like the same bear, a different color, a little heart shape tag. This one is Bernstein and this one is Bernard and now they did get outside of that. You know Michael Jordan and the bulls were kind of a big deal and I remember there was a little red bull after the mascot Dennis Rodman beanie baby. I’m all there. That’s where they missed the Mark. I’ll kill it. They did one. Well look this shit down. We’ll continue moving on. You’re listening. We need a Dennis Rodman throwback baby. I’ll look it up here. Jason, while you’re moving on to the next one here to see if there is a Dennis Rodman beanie daily. Yes. Okay. But while you’re looking up number 69 is Vidal Sassoon. Okay. Real quick, I’m finding right now that you can find on a Etsy. Oh, it looks like here.

I can find it now I’m on target. It is a Dennis Rodman number 91. It looks to be a beanie baby. Is it made by the beanie baby company? It’s officially licensed. It’s recommended for ages three plus, I guess you don’t want one. If you’re under the age of three and hand pick your role models carefully. Surface wash only. It’s hand handcrafted in China says bring home the worm. One of the NBA most East centric and talented players of all time. This legend is ready to play for you. Bleacher creatures are officially licensed to true to life, 10 inch plush figures. So Bleacher creatures, that’s who did it. So beanie babies, not the official person with the license for the, I do like the other figure that they brought up that kind of had a very Dennis Rodman. A hairstyle look. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Let me find multi colored bear head there.

Let me find that one there. And yet that is a $357 and 77 cents. The rarest sports beanie ever dentist. The worm rod. There it is. And we moved on there. Jason. Yes, number 69 is Vidal. Sasoon creator of VDL soon and cope co founder of Paul Mitchell systems is known as one of the most famous and successful hairstylist in history. He has products in salons all over the world, but you know, it was only regret is it doesn’t have a degree. That’s right. Ah, he doesn’t have a degree. But after attending college he would not have been able to provide better hair care products or service his $200 million net worth. Think about that. If you went to college, maybe just maybe he would know how to improve his shampoo products. Maybe. I think Jason’s hair’s never looked better. Well, I can say that.

I can tell you this is, this is a notable quote do I have here for mr Vidal. I’ll tell you this, you know what they say? You’re not going to be worth over 200 and million dollars unless you go to college. You can be worth 200 inherit industry, right? But you can’t be worth over 200 because they say you can’t be worth over $200 million in hair industry unless you have a college degree. That’s what they say. Okay, we’re moving on the number 70. So w Clement stone founded the billion dollar insurance company called combined insurance. He then went on to found the success magazine publication and to write numerous self help books despite not having a college degree. Look at that. And yet another entrepreneur who’s had massive success without a college degree. I contributed. I had it in a a insurance policy with combined at one point. You did. You really did. Okay. What we’re going to do now is I’m going to queue up the drum roll here. You’re welcome. Stop queuing it up here as you get ready to read. What number are we on now? 71 71 here we go. Here we go. Getting ready.

Alright, Jason, number 71 who is entrepreneur with a entrepreneurial success story without a college degree. Number 71

So number 71 is Wally Amos, aK famous Amos. Amos. Amos. Oh yeah. So famous Amos did not even graduate high school cookies or a science man. They are. It’s unbelievable what famous Amos has done to those cookies. No high school diploma, no GED, but still went on to create a cookie in pies. You’re telling me famous Amos doesn’t have a degree. He doesn’t. He didn’t. He doesn’t. He doesn’t even have a college diploma. He’s an architect. School diploma, high school diploma. He’s like an architect of cool cookies, right? This guy’s like a rocket scientist of the cookies. How has it pot? You’re telling me that this guy, I thought he was like the MBA of cookies. Had he gone to college? Maybe the packaging would have been a different color. Oh, we move on and learned that. Okay. I’m queuing up the [inaudible]. Jason, get yourself psychologic.

We’re ready. Okay. Here we go. We’re gonna bring off the 72nd entrepreneurial success story without a college degree and the winter. Let me, let me, I got to hit multiple buttons at the same time. Let me get back to here. And the winner is

The world goes to Walt Disney. Really? Yeah. The co founder of Walt Disney company didn’t graduate high school and then you turned out all right. He’s still frozen somewhere, so he’s doing okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, what is Disney corporation worth at this point? What are these movies you speak up? Okay, let’s move on to number 73, the 73, the 73rd entrepreneur. We’ve had this guy on the, on the show as a guest. He’s a culinary guru, a thrive nation nations. If you can guess who he is. This is our 73rd top entrepreneurs success story, who’s had success as an entrepreneur with out having without earning a college degree. So if you can guess who it is

As we queue it up. So number 73 is one second. Let tell. Let me get all this. Hey, let me get, no, not yet. Not yet. I got a lot more. Is that it? Thanks.

Got a lot more hours out of next coming in here. [inaudible] Oh, it’s too much exciting everywhere Jason. Oh, okay. Jason, who is it? It is Wolfgang puck gang gang is F gang pack. Yes. So despite ha or despite having dropped out of high school at the age of 14 come on. Wolski gang has opened up 16 restaurants and 80 bistros in route to building an incredible national brand of products that you can find in your local grocery store. Shit, true. Don’t share the story because if we collectively start sharing these stories, these success stories, we may burst the college bubble. Think about this. If we, if people start sharing stories about these 73 top entrepreneurs who’ve had massive success without incurring $100,000 of student debt every two years off, pretty soon maybe high school won’t become the minor league system for the college pro team. It’s, it’s unbelievable how every single high school graduate you’ll run into it has just decided it’s a foregone conclusion that they’re going to have to have a degree to have success.

Now we have kind of a bonus success story here. I got the name of Wolf by the name of a guy by the name of a white clef is Sean, who is the hip hop artist. Yes. Who decided to go back and get a degree after having success. Right. And I find that a lot of people want to go back to have a degree so that they can say, ah, look, I did it. Right. I don’t get that at all. I hear a lot of people that say, well, I just want to be the first person in my family to earn a degree. Like, I understand that Larry Fitzgerald, he did it because he promised his mom, there you go. And I just wanted him to have the degree. It didn’t serve him at all as far as his career. And I want to say, but Larry, I appreciate you Larry.

He’s a man of his word. I appreciate Wyclef. Yeah, I’m just saying like I could be the first man in my family to swim across the Arkansas river after, after we knock out today, show. Let’s do that. Give me this. I think we should do that. And I could do it. I can say I’m the first man in the Clark family to do it. But the followup question I would have is why? Right. And I think a lot of people are getting a degree. You could also be the first millionaire in your family or you know, 10 million, 100 million. I would just ask you, today is a capstone thought. Do you need a college degree? Because if you do need a college degree, go get one. But the founder of bank of America, clear channel, general electric, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Etsy, the beats headphones, Ford automotive, they all don’t have a college degree in it.

Colonel Sanders, no college degree. Coco Chanel, no degree. Wendy’s, Dave Thomas, no degree. Debbie fields, no degree. That org vacuum, no degree. Facebook, as I mentioned, no degree. Blockbuster video, no degree. There are so many successful entrepreneurs who don’t have a degree, but what I encourage you to do is to get that practical knowledge, whether that’s on a college campus or whether that’s just in the, in the in the heart interning, volunteering to work for someone for free, interning somewhere where you just put in the work, put in the effort. A dr bracket. If a guy came up to you today and said, Hey, I want to learn the medical field of chiropractic care. I want to learn how to be a chiropractor and I’m willing to work for free because I have another job and I will show up faithfully. You can count on me. I’ll work 40 hours a week for free just so I can see if it’s something I want to do.

Yeah. How can we say no, no, look, I like that. No I wouldn’t and I don’t either. I would welcome a man and that’s how a lot of people have earned jobs with me and they’ve said I w I’m willing to work for free. [inaudible] And I think about our, our Devin or our lead web developer. Oh yeah. He started by working for free. So if you’re out there today, just ask yourself, do you need a degree? Remember this kind of picture, this, this does get this mental picture. You’ve got to get those skills needed to pay the bills. That’s step one. Then step two, you gotta nail it and get those systems in place. And in step three you can scale it. Don’t get that order mixed up. You’ve got to get those skills. You got to build the systems and then you can scale it.

My name is clay Clark. That is dr Breck. That is Jason Beasley. And then we’re going to wrap up today’s show as we always do with a boom and a boom boom. Around here at the thrive time. Show stands for big, overwhelming, optimistic momentum. That’s big, overwhelming optimistic momentum, and that is what you need to become successful. I’ve got one bonus fun fact about why cleft John before roughly a bonus bonus bonus about Wyclef. So he was super, super famous and successful before he got his degree, and then he went back to get it. But do you know how many times he had to go through the education process? I don’t know. One time, one time. White clip, Sean, that he, the guy who I introduced the world to the food GS. Obviously the famous song, that was the cover they did of killing me softly with Lauren Hill where he said one time quite a bit.

He also has written songs for Whitney Houston. My love is your love Shakira hips. Don’t lie. Santana political office. Recently he did in Haiti. Yeah. Yeah. So if you’re out there today, I’m telling you, you can do anything that you set your mind to, as long as you’re willing to get those skills. Then build those processes and systems while delaying gratification. Build up your, your wealth a little bit. Build up that income. Build up that, that moment that the financial momentum, that, that snowball, but let that snowball build that momentum and then go into that next phase of your life called scaling it. And so if any further I do three, two, one, boom.