Ross Golan is the songwriter of choice for Selena Gomez, Maroon 5, Justin Bieber, Linkin Park and he’s the host of the always interesting And The Writer Is podcast. Today he shares, how he first started in the music industry, his process for writing music, what “Song Math” is and more.
On today’s show, he shares about the importance of learning how to communicate effectively, the role that math plays in songwriting, how the song “My House” came to be, and much, much, more…
– David Robinson
(Hall of Fame Basketball Player / Founder of Carver Academy / Founder of the Admiral Capital Group)
– Jack Easterby
(Former Character Coach of Choice for Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots)
– John Maxwell
(Leadership Expert & Best-Selling Author)
– Guy Kawaski
(Marketing Specialist & Product Evangelist for Apple, Mercedes and more)
– Craig Groeschel
(Founder & Senior Pastor of Life Church
that has grown to 30 Locations)
– Devan Kline
(Founder of Burn Boot Camp)
– Seth Godin
(Best-Selling Author of 18 Books
Including Purple Cow)
– Jeff Hoffman
(Serial Entrepreneur and Co-Author of SCALE)
Ross Golan was born on April 8th, 1980 and he has gone on to become a multi-platinum songwriter who is originally from Deerfield, Illinois. Golan attended and later graduated from Deerfield High School in the year 1998. After high school, he decided to go on to study music at the University of Southern California.
Throughout his multi-platinum career, Ross Golan has written songs for hundreds of artists including a nearly countless list of top 40 music and pop music artists including:
5 Seconds of Summer, Andy Grammer, Ariana Grande, Big Sean, Cee Lo Green, Charlie Puth, Colbie Caillat, Demi Lovato, Flo Rida, Gavin DeGraw, James Blunt, James Taylor, Jason Derulo, Justin Bieber, Icona Pop, Idina Menzel, Keith Urban, Lady Antebellum, Linkin Park, Lukas Graham, Maroon 5, Meghan Trainor, Michael Bublé, Nelly, Nicki Minaj, One Direction, P!nk, Prince Royce, Rixton, Selena Gomez, Skylar Grey, Snoop Dogg, Travis Barker, The Vamps, etc.
Throughout Ross Golan’s career, he has had a variety of record deals including, the first deal that he signed in 2003 with Insider Trading Company / EMI which was actually a record label that Ross started while still attending college. Ross’s label decided to join up with Electric and Musical Industries (EMI) and their president at the time to release “Reagan Baby.” Soon after, Ross Golan went along to co-found a band by the name of Glacier Hiking which a hybrid publishing/label deal with the well-known Lionsgate team. Ross Golan’s band then decided to release a self-titled EP (Extended Play recording) before deciding to break up in 2009. He then signed his underground musical project, The Wrong Man to Interscope Records.
Much like most songwriters, Ross Golan got started in high school as a broke student who wanted to make a living for himself. He was in a band that was doing well and signed to a record label (the same record label as Ryan Tedder of OneRepublic) and his agent along with Ryan Tedder talked to Ross and encouraged him to try his hand at songwriting, so he did.
Inspiration for Ross comes from many different places but some of his biggest hits have come to him while doing tasks such as driving around town or walking his dog. When an idea hits, he will stop everything and record all of his ideas into his phone. The process then really takes off by trying to collaborate with other people and seeing what others can contribute to the song.
Simply put, he embraces it. Many people have asked his advice about this subject and embracing it is something he preaches. Each genre a songwriter writes for has its own “math” and language that people can identify with so you have to adjust your writing for that genre.
The most successful songwriters all view it as a job and not the common misconception of writing lyrics is more of a party. They show up every day and put in work by studying who they are writing for and what is popular in that genre at that time.
Ross Golan created and developed the critically acclaimed musical known as The Wrong Man, which was written about a man who ultimately was wrongly accused of a crime that was committed in Reno, Nevada. A modified version of Ross Golan’s show ran in Los Angeles during February of 2014 and went on to receive three Ovation Awards out of the four nominations that it received including Best Musical, Best Book, Best Lyrics and Music.
Ross Golan has recorded and produces his podcast, And the Writer is with his co-producer Joe London. Throughout their career, Ross Golan has interviewed such iconic songwriters and artists as:
– David Robinson
(Hall of Fame Basketball Player / Founder of Carver Academy / Founder of the Admiral Capital Group)
– Jack Easterby
(Former Character Coach of Choice for Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots)
– John Maxwell
(Leadership Expert & Best-Selling Author)
– Guy Kawaski
(Marketing Specialist & Product Evangelist for Apple, Mercedes and more)
– Craig Groeschel
(Founder & Senior Pastor of Life Church
that has grown to 30 Locations)
– Devan Kline
(Founder of Burn Boot Camp)
– Seth Godin
(Best-Selling Author of 18 Books
Including Purple Cow)
– Jeff Hoffman
(Serial Entrepreneur and Co-Author of SCALE)
Accomplished. Incredibly gifted. Relentless. Brilliant. It is safe to say the man Ross Golan is an elite in the music industry. When looking at Ross’s songwriting career and music accomplishments, you can’t help but be very impressed. He is the Host and producer of the hit podcast show “And the Writer Is . . .”. A multi-platinum songwriter, Ross studied music at the University of South California. He has penned music for the likes of Justin Bieber, Maroon 5, Nicki Minaj, Lady Antebellum, Michael Buble, Selena Gomez, Keith Urban, Ariana Grande, Flo Rida, One Direction, Prince Royce, Snoop Dogg, and countless others. He has had multiple record deals and developed a one-man musical called, The Wrong Man. It received three Ovation Awards. He is currently signed to Warner Chappell Music.
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Ross,
– David Robinson
(Hall of Fame Basketball Player / Founder of Carver Academy / Founder of the Admiral Capital Group)
– Jack Easterby
(Former Character Coach of Choice for Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots)
– John Maxwell
(Leadership Expert & Best-Selling Author)
– Guy Kawaski
(Marketing Specialist & Product Evangelist for Apple, Mercedes and more)
– Craig Groeschel
(Founder & Senior Pastor of Life Church
that has grown to 30 Locations)
– Devan Kline
(Founder of Burn Boot Camp)
– Seth Godin
(Best-Selling Author of 18 Books
Including Purple Cow)
– Jeff Hoffman
(Serial Entrepreneur and Co-Author of SCALE)
Speaker 1:
Ladies and gentlemen, on today’s show, we have the opportunity to interview the top 40 songwriter, lyricist and podcaster, Mr. Ross Golan. Now Jason, who has Ross Golan written songs for throughout his epic music career?
Speaker 2:
It’s more like who has he not written songs for?
Speaker 1:
Oh, okay. Okay.
Speaker 2:
He’s written for CeeLo Green, Pink, Charlie Puth, Lady Antebellum, Ariana Grande, Andy Grammar, The Collective, Lincoln Park, The Vamps, One Direction, Eliza Doolittle, Nicki Minaj. The dude is huge.
Speaker 1:
Did you say Justin Bieber?
Speaker 2:
I did not say Justin Bieber.
Speaker 1:
Did you say Maroon 5?
Speaker 2:
Oh, I was getting there.
Speaker 1:
Did you say Flo Rida?
Speaker 2:
Flo Rida.
Speaker 1:
Oh Jason, who else has Ross Golan written songs for?
Speaker 2:
He’s written for the likes of Rixton, Eliza Doolittle, Jason Derulo, Lady Antebellum.
Speaker 1:
My mind can’t even handle it. We could keep reading this list all day.
Speaker 2:
All day.
Speaker 1:
The entire show could just be us reading the names of songs he’s written. But instead, let’s get into the rest of our intro. In 2016, Ross Golan was named as the BMI Pop Music Songwriter of the Year. As a strong advocate for the music industry, Ross Golan has pushed the initiative to add the songwriters to the actual Grammy award for album of the year, which means because of Ross Golan, as of 2017, that was the first year, 2017 was the first year that songwriters could actually receive a Grammy award for the Album of the Year.
Speaker 1:
And on today’s show, he shares about the importance of learning how to communicate effectively, the role math plays in songwriting, how the song My House came to be, and much, much more. Ladies and gentlemen, I can’t even believe it, we’ve got Ross Golan here with you on the Thrivetime Show. Jason, it has occurred to me that Ross Golan has not written music with one very important person.
Speaker 2:
Who is that?
Speaker 1:
Cobra Commander.
Speaker 3:
Some shows don’t need a celebrity narrator to introduce the show, but this show does. Two men, eight kids co-created by two different women, 13 multi-million dollar businesses… Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Thrivetime Show.
Speaker 4:
It’s the R to the O to the S, S Golan. He’s had a lot of hits but his head ain’t swollen. He doesn’t need an intro, but I’m already rolling, And The Writer Is… is the name of his show, and… Put the red light on it’s time for some recording, prep the [inaudible 00:03:00] because this one’s important. He’s taking our show to the [inaudible 00:03:04] heights, he’s Ross Golan, and his songs are nice.
Speaker 1:
Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Thrive Nation, Ross Golan is today’s guest. Mr. Ross, how are you sir?
Ross Golan:
I am doing lovely here in Southern California outside where the streets are paved with actors’ dreams, so they say.
Speaker 1:
I was first introduced to your podcast And The Writer Is… by one of my clients, and the Atlantic music recording artist Colton Dixon, and I just love your podcast, my friend. What first inspired you to start the And The Writer Is… podcast?
Ross Golan:
I’d said it in the first episode this season with [inaudible 00:03:56] in it, I was talking to him about how I think it was important to show our generation writing music in real time, versus previous generations like the Brill Building where you have the greatest writers of that generation who have only been interviewed in retrospect about what it was like then, rather than having those interviews in real time.
Ross Golan:
So, the idea was originally just for our group of friends, I thought there’d be about 300 people who would listen to it and just thought everyone would take a turn, and everyone would celebrate each other, and then it turned out that other people wanted to listen to it also. So, pretty exciting. Pretty exciting.
Speaker 1:
Well Ross, for the aspiring artists out there listening to today’s show, I’d love for you to break down how the music industry fits together. I know Colton, my client, he speaks very highly of his A&R guy, David Silberstein. Could you kind of explain to me, what does an A&R guy do for an artist?
Ross Golan:
An AA&R is… Stands for artists and repertoire. It used to be where there’d be an artist who would be a singer or maybe it’d be a jazz musician, and repertoire would be the music that they would cover. There were people who created the repertoire, and there were the artists who performed it. It wasn’t really primarily until the 1960s when you would have the Beatles starting to do it, on their first album it was about 50/50 songs they covered versus songs that they wrote. Same with Bob Dylan.
Ross Golan:
These writers started writing more and more of their own music, to the point where now it’s about 50/50 artists that are primarily writers versus artists that are singers. Even artists that are singers do their best attempt at writing. The name artists and repertoire, comes from artists and repertoire.
Speaker 1:
You wrote the song My House, which obviously became the Flo Rida hit, and I understand it was about you and your wife not going out very much, kind of being home bodies, and it had got turned into some kind of hip hop anthem about having a great time at the club. What does the process of actually writing a song look like?
Ross Golan:
In that case in particular it was more about, we were quite literally just playing around ideas on the piano where Johann had… Basically we had just listened to a bunch of the really early Adele versions from the second album, I believe it was 25, and we were aiming to write for that. We spent about 12 and a half minutes freestyling Adele melodies, and out of that came quite literally the verse and chorus of My House slowed down 30 BPM.
Ross Golan:
We were like, “I bet if we sped this up it could actually be something with tempo,” and then you drop my voice down a third and I sound identical to Flo Rida. So, there you go, all of a sudden we had a Flo Rida song. It was a really pinpointed pitch too. I know Flo, and I know that [inaudible 00:07:30] our team around him. We all went specifically towards Flo, and he’s a great guy, super nice, always an easy person to work with. It was a fun process.
Speaker 1:
Another great guy that I think you and I, a mutual acquaintance, Ryan Tedder, I went to college with Ryan at Oral Roberts university, and we lived on the same floor; EMR4 North. Ryan sang at our wedding, and I heard him on your podcast talking about how proximity is so important for artists and musicians. Why is it so important for the aspiring artists listening to today’s show to eventually move to L.A. or Nashville or maybe just a few other key music spots?
Ross Golan:
Here’s an actual example where I was working at a studio three rooms down. The first time I met Flo Rida I was just working literally in the same building, and somebody came in, said, “Do you guys want to write a bridge?” And it was to work on Good Feeling. Here they were working on a song that later became a number one song worldwide, and they just knocked on the door and said, “Hey, we need help on the bridge, do you want to come in?” And we were able to come in. Most of the time it doesn’t work out like that, but the idea of quite literally being in the room next door makes a big difference.
Ross Golan:
If you go back to the Brill Building as an example, they were all people with pianos and cubicles, that’s how they were making it happen. They would literally just walk into each other’s spaces and give advice. The best studios in L.A. are communal like that were where they can kind of help each other out. So, I do think L.A. and Nashville, you go to these writing places off of music row in Nashville, and you have six rooms going at once.
Ross Golan:
You just hear people writing their song in their room, and it keeps a competitive vibe, and it gets people working together. You meet people while you’re getting coffee, you meet people while you’re eating your snack, while you’re eating your lunch. So, that proximity just keeps it going, keeps you meeting people.
Speaker 1:
Through proximity, and obviously talent and skill and hard work, you’ve been able to build quite a career for yourself. When do you feel like you personally started to really gain traction with your career?
Ross Golan:
I got my first record deal in 2003 or 2004. I basically started a record company while I was in college as an internship program, and would write all the songs for all the singers that I met, and so I was kind of creating a publishing company and a record company at the time. I recorded my first album called Reagan Baby, and there was something of a bidding war, and the head of EMI said that he would help fund the record company.
Ross Golan:
That’s essentially how I got my first record deal. It wasn’t like somebody opened up any doors other than you have to let the music open the doors for you. That was the first time I had the traction. I think if you get a major publishing deal or a major record deal, then you can kind of leverage off of that, and just be patient. That’s where the first one.
Speaker 1:
I have two final questions for you. You talk a lot about math and songwriting, you talk a lot about math on your podcast. Can you explain to our listeners what you mean by math?
Ross Golan:
Yeah. I gave a keynote speech at South by Southwest about song math, and it was pretty deep. In a short phrase it’s really a music theory for song, is the gist of it. It’s all about composition, and about discipline, and understanding the different genres and how the listener hears, and how you can entertain your listener to their best ability because they have certain expectations. If you understand music theory, that’s really song math. It’s just a modern way of calling contemporary composition.
Speaker 1:
My final question I had for you is, I read and during a billboard.com interview that you did where you said, “One thing that people should do in their life is record themselves speaking for one hour every week, and then listen back,” like you do on your podcast. Why did you say that? What do you mean by that?
Ross Golan:
I’m sure you can relate. The magnifying glass in how you actually communicate. I think people don’t listen to how they communicate, I think they assume they know how they communicate, but if you could actually hear how you communicate, how you listen, how you respond to people, how you respect people, what your cadence is, understanding when you say ums and likes, and interrupt people.
Ross Golan:
All those things have a lot of value in your daily life, and no doubt if you put a microphone in front of your face once a week, you’ll quickly hear your faults. But fortunately after 50 something episodes with And The Writer Is… I feel like I’ve corrected some of my initial personal, at least how I perceived how I communicated, and I feel like it’s really affected me outside of the podcast realm. It’s been very useful.
Speaker 1:
You do a really good job getting into the deep stories that I don’t think are available anywhere else, and I appreciate you taking the time to let us into a behind the scenes look of the music industry, and also for allowing us to steal 15 minutes of your time today, my friend. I really appreciate you.
Ross Golan:
You got it. Best of luck. Thank you to your listeners, and I’ll see you on the podcast field.
Speaker 1:
All right, Thrive Nation. There is so much meat to unpack there, but on today’s show notes we put a list of all of the artists that Ross Golan has worked with that we know of. We’ve put a link to the songs that he’s written. We’ve put a lot of information up there because I think it’s really important if you’re out there and you are in the music industry to understand how all of the various parts of the music industry fit together.
Speaker 1:
In terms of the creative process, with the actual song writing, and how that fits with the artists, and how that connects to the A&R people, and how that connects with the producer, and how that connects with the person that masters the song, and how that connects with the record label, and how artists get paid. There’s just so much good stuff there on today’s show notes, and I’d encourage you to check it out today by going to thrivetimeshow.com.
Speaker 1:
If you’re out there today, and you are thinking about becoming a full time songwriter or music artist, check out his podcast And The Writer Is… Again, his podcast is And The Writer Is… An incredible show. Each show is fascinating where he interviews the artists behind the Top 40 music that you know, and we like to make every show actionable. I would encourage you to think about it today. Think about this today. Ross Golan has written an unbelievable number of hit songs, but that required him to get rejected a lot more than the average person, and if you listen to his podcast And The Writer Is… you’re going to discover that this guy puts in the work.
Speaker 1:
He puts in the effort, he views his songwriting as not just a hobby but it is a full time occupation, and he just writes, he works diligently, he works so hard, and his songs get better year after year, after year. I would just encourage you today to rate yourself on a scale of one to 10. If 10 is that Ross Golan work ethic where you’re working as unto the Lord, you’re working so hard, you’re putting in that effort, you’re really just getting it done. Whereas that one is just mailing it in, and working when you feel like it. How hard are you truly working?
Speaker 1:
Rate yourself today on a scale of one to 10. 10 being the highest, one being the least, how diligent are you being about your daily effort, your daily diligence? Are you truly putting in the consistent effort needed to win or are you just mailing it in it? And now without any further ado, we like to end each and every show with a boom. So, here we go. Three, two, one, boom!
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