Robert Kiyosaki | Escaping the Rat Race & Hunting for Success + Escaping the Rat Race & Hunting for Success + What Does Acta Non Verba Mean? Join Eric Trump & Robert Kiyosaki At Clay Clark’s March 6-7 Business Workshop!

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You could be anywhere doing a lot of different things, but you chose to be here. million dollar businesses altruistically invest five hours per day to teach you the best practice business systems and moves that you can use because they believe in you and they have a lot of time on their hands. They started from the bottom now they’re here. It’s the Thrive Time Show starring the former US Small Business Administration’s Entrepreneur of the Year, Clay Clark, and the entrepreneur trapped inside an optometrist’s body, Dr. Robert Zunder. Two men, eight kids co-created by two different women, 13 multi-million dollar businesses. We started from the bottom, now here’s the top Started from the bottom, now we’re at the top

Teaching you the systems to get what we got Colton Dixon’s on the hooks, I break down the books Z’s bringing some wisdom and the good looks As the father of five, that’s why I’m alive So if you see my wife and kids, please tell them hi It’s the CNC up on your radio.

And now, 3, 2, 1, here we go. We started from the bottom, now we here. We started from the bottom, and we’ll show you how to get here. Started from the bottom, now we here. We started from the bottom, now we here. Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

Thrive Nation on today’s show, it’s a very special occasion because the man who wrote this book and many other books, The Rich Dad Guide to Investing, Rich Dad Poor Dad, The Cash Flow Quadrant, the man who wrote these books, the man who teamed up with Donald J. Trump to write a book about why he wanted you to become rich. This man has decided to lower his standards yet again and to join us on the Thrived Times Show.

The man who changed my life, the best-selling author, I think the best-selling entrepreneur author of my lifetime. I think he’s sold over 70 million copies. Robert Kiyosaki, welcome on to the Thrived Times Show. How are you, sir? Hello, my honor, my honor to be on your show and thank you for all you do. I hear the ripple

effects from you are good ripple effects, you know what I mean? People rave about what they learn from you, so congratulations. Well, thank you, brother. And Eric Trump told me to tell you hello. He’s excited to see you in person here for our in-person workshop coming up March 6th and 7th. And so I wanted to talk to you, if we could go back to the very beginning.

Rumor has it that the first copy of your book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, when you self-published it, was purchased by a man at a car wash. Could you share with us that story? Because people know you as this megawatt best-selling author investor, but could you tell us how and or why you sold your first copy of your book at a car wash? Well, it’s kind of a long story, but I’ll do the best I can. As you know, capitalism is not taught in our school system. So a lot of our academic intellectual types,

not to get political, are more left-leaning or anti-capitalists. So when I wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad, I submitted it to all the booksellers. And five of them actually said something like this on the rejection notice.

When it comes to money, you don’t know what you’re talking about. And so I was kind of, Clay, you’re an entrepreneur. I’m an entrepreneur. And as they say in Stoic, the obstacle is the way. And so if you let these pinheads get in your way, you’re in trouble. So I called one of my best friends up and I said,

hey, you want a car wash? I want to sell my books. I had a thousand copies, self-published. He says, we don’t sell books in car washes. I said, God, what a great idea. You know, you’d be the only, I’d be the only book for sale in a car wash. And so the guy that picked it up was a orthopedic surgeon. And he read the book. He went, Oh, my God. But he was also with Amway. So he set it up, uplining it to Dallas.

This was Austin to Dallas. And this guy, Bill Galvin calls from Dallas with a little Southern draw. He goes, ah, great book. I said, well, thank you. Thank you. How many copies you get?

God, I said, I got 1000 minus 12. You know, because I had 12 in the carwash. He says, Yeah, I bought them all. I said, I’ll take the rest of them. I went, Well, who are you? He says, My name is Bill Galvin. I’m a diamond for Amway. And that’s how rich dad poor dad got started from a car wash, the network marketing industry, which Donald Trump and

I both endorse, because it’s a source of capitalism. And the book took off from there. So without Amway, I’d be in I’d be in trouble. Do you know two friends? Do you know two friends? Now, Robert, I got to ask you this real quick here. You know, your book was centered around this thing called the cash flow quadrant. And for anybody who hasn’t researched this or hasn’t Googled this or hasn’t discovered this,

it’s the migration or the path of an entrepreneur where you start off as being an employee. That’s step one. Then if you do that well, you get promoted to being self-employed, you own your own job. And then if you do that really well, you get to become a business owner,

which is what Dr. Zellner is today. And then you get to become an investor. Could you walk us through the cashflow quadrant? And then Dr. Zellner has a follow-up question for you. Well, it’s ESBI. You can always tell an employee by their words. I’m not really religious, but in the Bible,

it says the word becomes flesh. So employees always say the same words. I want a safe, secure job with benefits. And an S, a small business person, says if you want it done right, do it by yourself. And an S, a small business person says, if you want it done right, do it by yourself.

And then the B entrepreneur says, I’m looking for the best team. They want a team behind them. And the I is an investor, but it’s an insider investor. And people say, well, inside investment’s illegal. I said, no, it’s just how close to the inside are you?

So when I invest, I don’t own any stocks or bonds and mutual funds, because that’s for outside investors. I want to be part of the deal. So my goal, you can see back here is my cashflow board game. My goal was to take three companies public on Toronto Stock

Exchange, New York Stock Exchange and NASDAQ. So I got Toronto and New York Stock Exchange public. And I’m going to take my NASDAQ company public this summer. Wow. The polls are different if you know what I mean. Now Dr. Zellner, you grew up, you were washing dishes at Chiquita O’Brien’s.

Yes sir. And then you built. A dollar eighty an hour. A dollar eighty an hour and you know you built the largest auto auction in the state of Oklahoma. You basically took over a bank that wasn’t doing so well and you rebranded it as bank regent or regent bank.

You built a super successful optometry clinic. I mean you built a lot of companies. Sir what question would you have for Robert Akiasaki here about the whole cash flow process? Well Mr. K I’m going to call him Special K because he’s special. So tell me about your personal journey on writing. Tell me about, I mean you’ve got this baby inside of you and you want to birth it. How did you go about it and what was your secret sauce on getting

the words out of your brain onto the paper? Because a lot of people out there are like, man, I got a great idea, I wanna write a book, but where do I get started? Well, it comes to, I was a US Marine, I went to military school also.

And the first word we’re taught at the military academy is the word mission. And the Marines are taught the mission. And so we all have a mission is spiritual. So the irony of it is I flunked out of high school twice because I can’t write. Oh my god. Even better. It’s not that I couldn’t write the Oh my God. Even better.

It’s not that I couldn’t write, the teacher did not like what I wrote. Does that make sense? I mean, it was censorship basically in schools. And one of the comments I made is, when am I gonna study money at school? And her comment was,

the love of money is the root of all evil. Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? So as an entrepreneur, you’re always running up against somebody else’s bias, should I say, which is a free country. They’re entitled to their point of view. But she didn’t want me expressing anything about money because the love of money was evil.

I’m going, geez. So that’s how it started. I said, look, now I have an adversary called the school system. Now, Robert, I gotta ask you this, you know, the cashflow quadrant was the, obviously in your book, I got to ask you this, you know, the cash flow quadrant was the obviously in

your book, I mean, Rich Dad Guide to Investing, I’ve, I’ve kind of desecrated this book. I can’t believe that you do it worse than I do. Well, I’m proud of you. Thank you. Oh, man, you should see that. I mean, every book that you’ve written, I highlight this.

I’ve got posted notes. People are saying, what did you do to that book? But the cash flow quadrant is a big part of your curriculum and of your teaching. Tell us about the board game, because I don’t think a lot of people know about the board game. I think if people know about the book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, I think a lot of people don’t know about the cash flow board game. Walk us through the board game. That’s a very good, thank you for saying that. We have four basic intelligences, mental, emotional, spiritual, physical.

Mental, emotional, physical, spiritual. So if you want to learn to play golf, you’d have to have a golf club, ironically. But what we do at school is to sit there and they just teach your brain, mental. And entrepreneurship, as you know, it requires mental, emotional, physical, spiritual. So the game incorporates all of that. Your four intelligences. The middle

part of the game is a rat race and the rat race is where our school send you to go to school, get a job, live in the rat race. And the purpose of the game was to expand your context. You know, how big a world can you see onto the fast track? Like I said, you know, once I understood money, I said, I need to achieve better, bigger goals.

So you gotta learn to walk before you run. And that’s why my goal was to take companies public. That’s what entrepreneurs do. So I took my first company public on Toronto. It was a Chinese gold mine in China. And as soon as we struck all the Chinese said, Thank you very much. Chinese food anymore. That second the second gold mine took public was

on New York Stock Exchange. And that gold mine I took public was on New York Stock Exchange and that gold mine was in Utah, pretty close to Provo. And the third mine I’m going to take public is a kind of environmental, not an anti-ist. But it’s carbon credits, you know, we get paid to sell carbon credits. So that a lot of us don’t ask decks, it’s just goals. So the purpose of the game was to take what you knew, and expand possibility.

That’s all it was designed to do. Now, Robert, I want to go back to my 18 year old mind and I wanna share with you an unfortunate but true story. Dr. Robert Zellner was my wife’s first boss. So the first full-time job my wife had, my wife’s 18 years old, we were dating,

Dr. Robert Zellner runs the optometry clinic and he’s my wife’s first boss. At the time I had earrings in both ears. You were a thug. I dressed like a rapper but I wasn’t a rapper and I was building I was trying to build a disc jockey entertainment company not knowing what I was doing. What did she see in you? I still don’t know. I don’t know and I do know that it was it was a situation where I kept trying to pick your brain and

you kept trying to avoid me in your lobby and that was a real thing that happened. And so I remember I finally, Robert Kiyosaki, I finally tricked Dr. Zellner into letting me meet him for lunch. And during lunch I said, and there’s things that you might have not even remembered that you told me, but I said, Dr. Zellner, I said, Hey, I’m not getting any customers. Um, if you were me, what would you do? I asked, and you were

saying, well, you should probably advertise. And I remember thinking, how can I afford that? And then you said, well, why don’t you just get two or three jobs and you told me about working at Chiquita O’Brien’s anyway long story short I got a job at Applebee’s, Target and DirecTV and that was that tough love mentorship that I needed. I needed to be told hey you’re not a rapper stop dressing like one get three jobs show up on time write write things down, get serious. It was almost like a military baptism by fire sort of thing.

I needed that. Robert, what would you say to somebody who’s watching this show that’s under the age of 30, and they’re just kind of drifting along, they want to achieve super success, where are these young folks getting stuck?

What advice would you have for an entrepreneur out there? Plumber, doctor, dentist, somebody who’s got a business, but it’s just not growing. They’re not gaining traction. What would you say to them, sir? You need a Robert Zeller.

There you go. Mistakes of stewardship. Yes. I’m sure a rich dad in Portland is very similar. Myakes of stewardship. Yes. Sure, a rich dad, poor dad is very similar. My poor dad was a PhD, you know, poor, helpless and desperate.

And my rich dad was my best friend’s father. And both men kicked my butt. I mean, they were tough guys. They were good men, very straightforward, honest men. That’s my quick story is I want to open a restaurant. So my rich dad said, OK, get a job running a bar.

I said, why? He says, do as I tell you. So I got a job. I was still in the Marine Corps. I was stationed in Hawaii. I got a job running a bar. I said, what the hell

am I doing here? And he, he had me measure the poor counts. My rich dad was, I said, what do you mean? He says, your bartender’s robbing you blind. I went, what? Your help’s robbing you blind. And he says, you’re so effing stupid. Your help’s stealing everything from you because you’re effing stupid. Wake up.

I went, and so Robert Zeller, I mean, that’s tough luck. He says, you better figure out how they steal from you or else you’re not gonna make it and so that’s the kind of lessons that our real life versus you know what’s the stochastic average of this and all that stuff I have to figure out how my friends was stealing from me Dr. Z what follow-up question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki sir? Well I tell you what what’s next what’s next for you Dr. Z, what follow-up question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki, sir?

Well, I tell you what’s next. What’s next for you? I’m taking on Marxism. This woke stuff has got to go. It’s got a really good How does that look? How does taking on Marxism look to you? Because I’m okay on that I want to know that game. We fight back with capitalism. That’s why you know, the Eric Trump and Don Jr.

You look at those two young men. I hunt with them and go all the world with them. They’re the finest young men. They’re like their dad. So like father like son. So I was I was on the I was in Hawaii with Don and Eric Trump. And we go into this restaurant and those boys go into the back of the restaurant and they shake hands

with all the help. They did that everywhere I went. The classic young man. So like father, like son. And then you got a Hunter Biden, who’s a criminal like his father. Yeah. So it’s unless we stand up and say enough of this, enough of this, you know, the whole military went woke. And they’re, you know, talking about diversity and equity and all this stuff.

So then, we’re all one unit. No, no, no, no. Some of you are Black, some of you are white. Like, I was a U.S. Marine, you know? We’re all Marines. And Marines stay together.

That’s what we have to teach our kids. Now, Robert, I want to ask you this. You know, with your career, you actually decided at one point to sit down with Donald J. Trump, and you wrote a book called Why We Want You to Be Rich. That was the book. You also wrote a book called The Midas Touch.

Both books are epic. They’re life-changing. In my opinion, everybody should read them. Let’s talk about that for a second though, because we have a guy that just walked in our studio, and I promise when I edit this, you’ll be able to see these mystery voices, but we have a guy in our office right now, Steve Currington, and he’s a very successful

mortgage banker, and Steve, I think if you wrote a book, it might be called Why You Want to Be, Why Steve Wants to Become Rich. But Robert, you wrote a book about why you want other people to become rich. So tell us about that book. What inspired you to write that book? Well, Donald and I met in green rooms.

You know, we would be, we’d share these, we’re doing these huge real estate investment things like a Javits Center. We traveled to Australia together, San Francisco. And I got to know the guy very, very well. And the man is a character. He is funny as hell.

And, but he has got a big heart. And we started talking about the gap between the rich and the poor. He is funny as hell, but he has got a big heart. And we started talking about the gap between the rich and the poor. And as you know, for Marxism or communism, the thing that sparks revolution

is the gap between rich and poor. So that’s when Donald and I said, well, what can we do to influence the world to teach people to be capitalists versus poor people? You know, the idea of go to school and get a job. And you look at unemployment right now,

it’s going to go through the roof with AI coming in. So we have a very serious problem. And then the my generation, the Boomer generation, we don’t have enough to retire on. And the biggest problem I see that we all know about is a national debt of 30, what, 36 trillion. We’re adding a trillion dollars every 100 days. The interest on our debt is greater than our national defense budget. And our military is teaching people about gender equality.

Something is wrong in this country. So that’s what we fight about. We fight against. Education, be capitalists and entrepreneurs. Most importantly, we fight about. I fight against. Education, to be capitalists and entrepreneurs. Most importantly, we can teach. Robert, one of the things that you said on multiple interviews, multiple times,

and every time you said it, I thought to myself, have I not been paying attention? Because it felt like new information to me the first time I heard it, which is probably the 50th time I’d heard it, you said, octa non verba. And maybe the first time you said it, I was driving while I’m, you know,

listening to the podcast while driving. And maybe I was half paying attention, but I octa non verba. And then it was like a, almost like an angelic moment for me. And I, octa non verba. And once I finally understood what it meant and what you were saying and

how it could be used, I, I think it was a life changing for me and how I approach business. Could you explain octa nonverba, what it means and how our listeners can apply it? Clay, you gave me goosebumps, man. I’m glad it hit you as hard as it did.

OCTA nonverba is the motto of the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point, New York. I had appointments with Naval Academy and Kings Point Merchant Marine Academy. And Merchant Marine Academy’s motto was O octa non verba. In other words, don’t listen to what a person says. Watch what they do. So you

tell a person whether they’re capitalists or communists by their actions. So here’s Trump, he puts the wall up, Biden took the wall down. Do you know what I mean? Octa non verbo. That man is a traitor. I mean, opening the wall up and then all this DEI stuff, I’m going, they’re trying to kill our country by weakening our military. Our national debt, like I said, is more than country by weakening our military.

Our national debt, like I said, is more than what we spend on the military. And then we have all of these people we’re putting up in, you know, we’re housing our immigrants in the best hotels. That’s all Marxism. What are you doing?

Not what you’re saying. So I just listen to that stuff, and I can tell a person’s act by what they’re doing, not get distracted by their words. That’s the most, I watch what a person’s actions are, not what they say.

Now I’m gonna tee this up for Dr. Zellner, but this was something big. Dr. Z, when you guys bought the Bank of Nahuatl, are not what they say. Copeland was chairman. Okay, so Sean Copeland was the chairman. And I remember I met, I went out to lunch with Sean Copeland at Cedar Ridge Country Club. And I was asking Sean, I said, Sean, and this was before he bought the bank, but he was, he was, he was at Grand Bank and was thinking about buying the bank with you. And I said, what should I do with my money? And he said, What do you mean? I said, you know, with my disc jockey company, DJConnection.com, we’re doing about 4,000 events a year. So we’re spitting out about 150 to $175 of profit per event. There’s 4,000 events. What should I do with the cash? And he said, well, I’d take a quarter of your wealth

and buy gold and silver. And I’m going, what? At the time it was $400 an ounce. We’re talking 2005-ish. And well, now it’s $2,700 an ounce. And I said, Sean, you own a bank. And he said, well, actually I work at a bank.

I don’t own a bank. It’s a bank that I work for. But I’m just telling you, you should take a quarter of your wealth, buy gold and silver, take a quarter of it and buy real estate from emotional people. And I said, emotional people.

And he, he’s funny guy, but he was like, when people’s clothes are burning in the lawn, that’s a good sign. Yeah. I don’t grasses, the grass is overgrown. And he said, you’ll just do that. Then you’ll be fine. And I said, what should I do with the other half of my cash? He said, we’ll keep it on hand for your

new business plan. And at the time, I thought, I’m never going to have a new business idea because DJ connection.com at that time in my life had defined every waking hour of my life from age 15 to age 25. That’s all I thought about was growing that company. And so I remember I told my young wife, we’ve been married about five years, I said, I’m going to buy an ounce of gold.

Every time that we have $400, I’m going to buy an ounce of gold. And we’re just going to keep doing that with a quarter of our money. And then so I think my wife thought I lost my mind. I thought I lost my mind. But it was that Octaverba moment where I started doing it. I started buying the gold.

Now it’s 2,700 now. So I want to ask you, Z, this question. When you and Sean were talking about buying the bank, how did that conversation go? And when did you recognize it was octanonverba time? It’s not time to talk about buying a bank, but let’s go buy a bank. When did that moment happen? Well, I was speaking at a conference and

you know, when you’re done speaking at a conference, people come up to you and they give their business cards and they shake your hand when they want to meet you. And so Sean came up to me and said, hey, where do you bank? And I told him, I said, well, I’m a banker over at, I think it was Grand Bank, as you said. He said, why don’t you, let me take you to lunch. I said, I’m not interested in switching banks

unless I owned part of it. And he looked at me and we locked eyes and we had that we had that moment And I said How about you and I Get the bank together

What do you think? And he said oh my I signed up for more for this conference than I thought. Absolutely. Let’s go find a bank and do this together. You did. And we did.

And we got other investors and we, um, we had a model and we did it and that was successful. But we bought it and we had the big downturn of the 2008 downturn. You timed it perfectly. Oh we timed it perfectly, yes. We were out counting cows and pastured because… Well I want to give this backdrop to Robert Kiyosaki because Robert, you know, you obviously

people know you as a man who’s had massive success now, but when did you decide to be the gold buyer guy? Like when did you decide to, you know, not just think about it and study it and look at look into the collapse of the dollar? When did you decide? Hey, you know what? I’m actually going to start buying gold. When did that happen for you Robert? Well, the first time it was silver. This here is

the last silver coin. It’s a Kennedy half dollar, 1964. And so at 65, it was copper. And that was Gresham’s Law. Gresham’s Law says when bad money enters the system, good money goes into hiding. So I started saving silver. And then when I was in Vietnam, I was flying off a carrier and my rich dad sent me a letter says, hey, watch out, Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard.

So this here is a little, this is the gunship I flew in Vietnam, the most feared weapon by the Viet Cong. You know, we’d come rolling in. And so my, my co-pilot and I said, what does that mean? Gold standard? I said, well, maybe we should go buy some gold. You know, because gold was like 35 was now at 50. So we’re on this

carrier off of China. We look in the map of Vietnam. We see this pick and shovel AU. I said, oh it’s a gold mine. You know, so we fly behind. The trouble was it was behind enemy lines. The NVA had already run it over. The Marines aren’t the brightest guys in the box. I said, well, if we get in there quick, we might be able to buy some gold at a discount. Like two idiots. With a crew chief, we flew in behind enemy lines. We land next to this village. We disarm. We walk into the village. It’s bamboo.

I can still see it like crystal clear. And we have our hands up. He says, we come as capital village, there’s bamboos, I can still see it, like crystal clear, and we have our hands up, he says, we come as capitalists, we’re not marines, we’re just here to buy gold. So we go into the village, they point us to a gold seller, a little woman, and she had a little bamboo shackle, and I said, we’re looking at these gold nuggets. This is 1972. And I looked at him, I looked at my co-pilot,

looked at me and he realized, Clay, it was illegal to own gold for Americans at that time. We didn’t know what gold was. So we stood there looking at each other like idiots and then also he was yelling and screaming so we knew the NVA was coming south and we’re gonna be POWs if we didn’t get out of there. So I’m yelling at him and he’s yelling at me our partnership dissolved. You stupid

son of a bitch. I still remember coming through the village and this duck got in my way. I drop kicked the duck and pissed off the peasants out there and get to my helicopter and the reason my crew chief was screaming, my helicopter was sinking. I parked it on a rice paddy. So, Marines are not the brightest guys on earth. So my helicopter is sinking like this, back in into the mud.

I got to watch out for that tail rotor. So I put my little crew chief in the driver’s seat. And so the two pilots get behind by that tail rotor. So I put my little crew chief in the driver’s seat and so the two pilots get behind by that tail rotor and we’re holding it up. Wow. And the guy starts the engine and mud flew everywhere so we’re now covered in mud. But we got the thing out, we climbed in, we got back to the ship. My commanding officer says, where the hell have you guys been? We just covered in what was it? Don’t ask.

Now, Robert, that’s how I became a gold bug. And I went to Hong Kong. I bought my first crawl Kruger man, 50 bucks. I still have it today. It’s in storage in Switzerland. Now, sir, I have a couple of rapid fire questions for you about gold that I want to go to Steve Currington, the mortgage guru, so he can ask you a question here on the gold thing. Before we get into the deep dive in the gold thing, you had a lot of missions in that in that helicopter, in those helicopters. And one thing I try to do on this show,

and I don’t know that I do a good job, is I try to be at least self-aware or self-deprecating, because I know people look at the success of Dr. Zellner and they go, I could never do that. But I think it’s important to talk about the dishwashing phase.

I think it’s important for people to know the jackassery that I went through. And if you’re okay, sir, I’d like to keep this story private between you, me and our listeners. I believe that you might have got yourself in some trouble while you were in the Marines. Are you willing to share about that a little bit there, sir? And if not, we can punt and move on to another question.

Talk about me. Yes, sir. I’m actually proud of it. I was court martial twice and I’m an Academy graduate, but the problem was like most men, it’s a woman who got me in trouble always, always. So, uh, I was in Hawaii. I got, we, we came back from Vietnam, got stationed in Hawaii, and we had shaved heads, and those were the days of the hippies. So we were having trouble with dates and Waikiki.

So my friend and I said, let’s offer helicopter rides to the cutest girls. And so we were flying women in our helicopter, drunk as skunks, having a great time, flying them into Ireland. And when they caught us, when they shut me down, they opened up my, this is a Kaneohe Marine Corps

air station, they opened the door of my helicopter. The first thing that fell out were beer cans. The second that fell out was me. Then they find women’s underwear in the back and scuba gear. You can’t take scuba gear up in the air. So for some reason, I went to jail. It was the best thing that ever happened to me because I sat there, I had to look at myself.

You know, what the hell was I trying to do? And so I went, I got this guy, Captain Abrams was the prosecutor. I go into court, I said, I found, I said, I better start, the prosecutor. I go into court. I said, I found, I said, I better start telling the truth. It’s about time.

So he said, you tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth. I said, yes, sir. He says, tell me. I told him everything. I told him stuff he didn’t even know. At the end of it, Captain Abrams says, you’re free.

I said, what? He said, how much time am I gonna do? He says, you’re free. And he says, you’re getting an honorable discharge. Clay, I almost broke down and cried. That’s saying the truth, so I said, you’re free.

I wasn’t trying to hide it anymore, but it was the best lesson. It was kind of the reward for being such a bad boy was to understand the meaning of truth. Wow. And that changed my life.

Like I never cheated on my wife. I don’t do those things. I don’t cheat on taxes. I don’t cheat. Do you know what I mean? I’d rather just play by the rules now. But

I needed to go have my ass almost put in jail. Now, sir, what can you hold up that helicopter again? Can you tell us what’s the the make and model of the helicopter that you were flying while intoxicated? This is a one e and it’s very underpowered. But it was that’s a those are rocket pods and machine guns. And it was the

most feared weapon by the Viet Cong. That’s called the one. Yeah, I could fly right into their houses and shoot them. Wow. Now Steve, you are you’ve been sober for how long now Steve? 2016 since 2016 and Steve. He has a wonderful mortgage company called Steve currentin.com.

He’s kind of known as the guy in Tulsa, Oklahoma. That’s always driving Lamborghinis and flying around in his plane from point A to point B. And so I thought since we’re talking about sobriety and flying in aircraft, this would be a good segue for you, Steve.

So what question would you have? I know Robert’s books have changed your life. So what question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki? Well, I know you’re big on buying gold, but what else do you buy? Do you buy S&P 500? Are you diversified and other stuff? What other things do you recommend that someone might buy if they’re, if they’re already buying gold, what are some other things you buy? You know, stock tips here, Robert.

I don’t, uh, I have stocks, but they’re my company. Like they cut my company. I took public. So I don’t buy other people’s shares. I’m a selling shareholder, not a buying shareholder. That’s the fast track out there.

That’s the purpose of the game is pushing mine up there. So I don’t do S&P 500 at all. My, my flaw, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but I like real estate because I’m using a hundred percent debt financing. Because after 1971,

when Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard, the US dollar became debt or US treasuries. And my concern right now is the bond market is going to crash because the Chinese are dumping our bonds. But I buy real estate on 100% debt. So let’s say I have a piece of real estate throwing off 25 bucks a month. That’s an infinite return because I have no money in it. Now I’ve studied real estate for most of my life. My rich dad started me teaching real estate playing

Monopoly. You know, four greenhouses, 1031 tax deferred exchange, red hotel. So if you go to Waikiki Beach today, you’ll find the Hyatt Regency Hotel right on Waikiki Beach. That was my rich dad’s hotel. So if you go to Waikiki Beach today, you’ll find the Hyatt Regency Hotel around Waikiki Beach. That was my rich dad’s hotel. And he was teaching me how to acquire real estate for nothing. So that’s why you need a doctor’s elf as a teacher teacher. Yeah, you got to have teachers.

Not Dr. Z. I want to ask you this question here. You know, you, the building you’re in for anybody who wants to Google it, they can type in Dr. Robert Zellner and Associates and they can find your optometry clinic. You’re located next to Oklahoma’s most prominent mall. You have a beautiful location. They just renovated the mall with a Shields support center there. It’s amazing. And you’ve owned that thing for years, but could you share with the listeners out there how you acquired the property? Because my understanding is you were told it’s not for sale or it’s not easy to buy. And I think somebody out there needs to understand the maybe abbreviated version of what you

went through to buy that property, which you still own today. Yeah, it was a third of an acre and the guy was going to build a burger time, went through a divorce and had a contract on it, had a backup contract on it, and I wanted that property. And the real estate agent said, well, there’s already two contracts in play. And I said, I don’t care. I’m going to do a third one.

So we did. And then the first one fell through. And then the second one was getting ready to fall through. It was going to be a Jiffy Lube. And they had to get everybody around there in the PUD to sign off on it in order to do automotive. And so I called the ex-wife down in Dallas and I told her my story.

And I said, you know, here’s my story. Here’s who I am. And I’d like to give you $10,000 more and close in 30 days. She goes, okay, done, sold. So instead of renewing that contract that was ahead of me because they could get all the signatures signed off on it,

all the big corporations signed off on it, I was able to get that piece of property and I was just nice and honest and nice and of course a little extra money didn’t hurt but uh yeah. But Robert Kiyosaki sir you have a quote that I love. I love this quote of yours. There’s so many quotes I love but

this particular quote I’m going to read it I hope I don’t mangle it. It says the size of your success is measured by the strength of your desire, the size of your dream, and how you handle disappointment along the way. If Dr. Zellner hadn’t had a massive desire, if he hadn’t pushed through adversity, if he hadn’t broken all the rules and made an offer after two offers were already made, he would not have purchased that property. Could you walk the entrepreneur through,

the young entrepreneur out there, sir, through the mindset that you have? Because Robert Kiyosaki, I mean, you’ve had massive success. You continue to have massive success. What’s the mindset that you have when you encounter adversity of some kind?

Well, first of all, let’s go back to the old cliche, you gotta set goals, right? And a lot of people set very small goals. The reason is the cashflow board game is I want to push the brain out to what’s possible in my life.

So I have different goals. That’s how it starts. And one goal as most entrepreneurs is you want to own a jet. So I own a layer 60, but the problem was how do I get somebody else to pay for it? That’s how I ever made a dream. Yeah.

So that I don’t, you can see the back of my, uh, there’s a Ferrari on my dock behind the balloon. My Ferrari there is how do I get somebody else to pay for it? So the way that I bought that Ferrari is I bought a mini storage first and the mini storage cash flowed

and it paid for the Ferrari. So until you challenge your brain and be careful who you listen to, but Dr. Zellner, I mean, really, I’m not serious. You know, thank you for being a coach and same as with you, Clay.

If we don’t challenge what we think, not that it’s right or wrong, but challenge what you think. So I’m not saying don’t play the stock market. It just wasn’t my game. You know, like I played rugby. I don’t play soccer.

Different games and different team members. So that’s what it comes down to. It’s just real life. And so I have the best team players going. Best accountants, attorneys, real estate guys. I own Waigu cattle. You know why I own Waigu cattle is because I sell the semen. Sprout and flow. I don’t have to kill. What? That’s why I said so.

And you got to tax pay for it. You know what I mean? And there’s so many ways you can make money out there. Hey, if you sell them as a kid, maybe you can buy a Lamborghini. Get you a Lamborghini. Just, okay, no, real quick, Dr. Z, you are a man who decided to get involved in the horse race.

Nice segue. I knew you were going to segue. That’s a passion of yours. You always wanted to have a horse. And now you have a horse that actually did well this year. And some of these professional… Can you talk to… share with Robert Kiyosaki about your journey into the horse world because that was your vision was to own horses and have somebody else pay for it. Yeah and that’s exactly right. When I was a little boy

you know you had two or three channels and the only thing we could watch was like Bonanza and some Western shows. And I thought, man, you know, I was very poor, big, big fan of that man. One of these days I went on a horse ranch because that means you made it. And I just put that on my bucket list. And then eventually one day I thought, now it’s time to get my horse ranch. I thought, what kind of horses do I want?

And I did exactly like you did Special K. I said, I want the kind of horses that somebody else pays for. So I went and got thoroughbreds because, you know, they race, they get purse money, and people gamble on it, and you can sell them.

And so I just immersed myself into the thoroughbred industry didn’t know anything about it went to Kentucky which is a breeding seminars and talked a lot about semen and anyway you know the idea of trying to take two animals make a better animal was fascinating to me so I’ve had some success and it’s been a fun journey and I love it. I love horses and I love my horse ranch. So it’s kind of fun whenever

you put something as a young boy on your bucket list and then the day comes when you finally have it and then you get to enjoy it. That’s pretty special. Now this is going to sound like a series of passive-aggressive compliments, but they’re not. These are positive. These are not backhanded compliments. Dr. Z, let’s just say you’re not 25 years old. Robert Kiyosaki, let’s just say you’re not 25 years old. But so many people that I see, that I meet, they say, you know, my desire, my goal, my big vision is

to vacation, which the word vacation means to retreat from. But the people that I have found who are the most successful, that are the most vibrant, that are the most alive, regardless of age, are people that seek a vocation, which means your calling. So if you look up vocation, the meaning of vocation in Latin is your calling. And I believe that both of you, Dr. Z and Robert Kiyosaki,

you guys are very much alive and you’re exhilarated and probably more enthusiastic than the average 20 year old because you have a calling that you’re pursuing, something that gets you excited every morning. And I want to get your thoughts on this, Robert Kiyosaki, because you are doing some big things right now. You’ve got the cashflow board game going on,

but you’re really, really talking about the future of money on your podcast. I mean, you’re not, so tell us about what kinds of topics you’re talking about on your podcast now, because I’m seeing you now talk about the future of money. You’re really staying on top of BRICS

and their attempt to unseat the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency. Tell us about what topics you’re discussing on your podcast right now, sir. Well, again, this is 1964, it was a Kennedy half dollar. It was the last silver coin.

And in 1965, you turn a coin over like this, it was copper. And then it got me curious, and I started studying money. And all throughout history, every time they aberrated the money, the empire came down. So that’s a long way of saying it one day i was this is in the 80s i was in a seminar with dr buckminster fuller i created g desic dome and all that and he asked me this question everybody asked a young man he goes

what what’s what’s what’s your purpose what do you want to do? I said, I just want to get rich. And he says, that’s a very shallow thing. And then Bucky says, Bucky Fuller said to me, he says, what does God want you to do? What does God want you to do? And I sat there going, I served my country,

two tours in Vietnam and all this, well, what was my, and it came down to my natural interest in money. I don’t trust my government. You know, I went to Vietnam, I went, where lie to out here? And I didn’t trust them. And I trusted our money less.

Like I said, that’s when I flew this little baby here behind enemy lines to look for gold. But that who would ever known that my purpose was to teach people about money. But it was a passion of mine. Because as you know, every time they print money, the rich get richer, but the poor middle class get poorer. So we’re printing a trillion dollars every 90 days now.

So those who own real assets like Waiku cattle, gold, silver, real estate, oil. We get richer, but what else goes up in price is food, like chicken and eggs. You can’t afford eggs today. So every time you print fake money, which is what I saw back when I was 17 years old, when you print fake money, guys like us get

richer. But my friends and family get poorer, because no financial education in school. Now let’s drill down into that for a second of Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, the BRICS nations for 16, almost 17 years, they’ve been hoarding the Earth’s gold. Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.

These countries are not screwing around. They’ve been hoarding the Earth’s gold in preparation to do what? Well, Putin has announced a great expansion of the BRICS block. And now you have, I would, I’m just giving a rough average here, but now you have the majority of the Earth’s assets are controlled by these nations that identify with the BRICS block. And these countries have a stated goal of introducing a gold-backed programmable currency.

I don’t think the average person knows that, and I don’t think the average person knows that the United States enjoys an incredible privilege as the world’s reserve currency since the Bretton Woods agreement. I don’t think people know that. I know that because of your teaching and others but most people do not know that. So could you maybe articulate or explain, Robert Kiyosaki, for our listeners out there? Why do our listeners need to know that Brazil Russia India China South Africa those countries are hoarding the earth’s gold and attempting to introduce a new reserve currency.

Because I think it was J.P. Morgan or somebody said gold is money. The rest is credit or debt. And gold is the only money there is, according to his theory. So that’s what I tell the story of flying behind enemy lines. It’s Gresham’s law. We know what real money from fake money. But my greatest concern here is this. If we don’t make changes in what we teach ourselves and our kids, the poverty in America is going to go through the roof because we’re now the biggest debtor nation in the world.

And, you know, like, what they’re teaching us now is DEI. What about teaching us money? And I don’t think it’s a mistake. That’s my concern. It drives me on, it drives me on, drives me on, because I love my country. Two tours in Vietnam. But why does that school

system not teach us anything about the truth about money? So gold is money. I call it God’s money. Gold and silver are God’s money, and Bitcoin is people’s money. The dollar is fake money. And the more fake money we produce, which we do every day now, the greater the poverty goes up,

inflation wipes out the middle class and poor, but guys like me get richer, because I own gold mines. It’s tragic. Now, Robert, I want to tie this into your relationship with Eric Trump because you are coming to our business conference here in March.

And Eric Trump speaks so highly about you. I’m working with Eric on his new book. And so I was with him two Mondays ago finalizing some language on the book. And Eric’s putting out his first book here at an age where he’ll probably be the same age his father was when his father put out The Art of the Deal. So his father put out, Donald J. Trump put out The Art of the Deal at age 41.

And Eric is putting together a book at a similar age. So it’s really exciting to see him and do that. And he speaks super highly of you. Now, Steve, we were at, uh, we did Eric and I’ve done 25 events together, right? And you were stage side at one of the events. And I never know what Steve’s going to say to people.

He just met all. I know. I think you told Eric, you said, Hey, I’m the guy that drives the Lamborghini. Is that what you said to him? I don’t, I don’t remember exactly what I said, because I was kind of in shock. You know, when you meet somebody like that, that obviously we have all have a lot of respect for.

Yeah. And, uh, but Laura, Laura was the icon that night. I think everyone wanted to see Laura. Yeah. He married up. Okay. Well, I gotta ask you so now now that you have met Eric

Yeah, and Robert is very good friends with the Trump family What question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki about working with the Trump family hunting with the Trump Trump family? What question would you have? Well, I think the perception that a lot of us supporters of them have is that they’re just Super down-to-earth normal guys, which is what I kind of got in my quick meeting with Eric that I had uh, supporters of them have is that they’re just, uh, super down to earth, normal guys, which is what I kind of got in my quick meeting with Eric that I have. Uh, can you talk a little bit about that, about like your interactions

with them and what, you know, some people are just, uh, a little different when they’re on their own, but I would, I would imagine that they’re, they’re pretty down to earth guys. Is that is that accurate? Amen, brother. Hey, I go, I go to this private island in Hawaii called the EO. If that’s special permission, we fly in via helicopter. There’s no toilets, no running water, nothing. And we go there to hunt. And you get to know people pretty closely.

I bet you got nothing and you’re sleeping on the outside. We had to catch our own food and those young boys, young men now, they’re such well the best young men. I think that’s why I was, we were driving to the airport, catch the helicopter on the island of Kauai to Niihau. And Don Jr. and Eric were talking to their sister. She was dating some guy, I think the guy she married. And they were giving her recipes to so she could

cook for her future husband I said who in the world taught you guys recipes? Our mother you know and they go back it goes back to the mother also so I said our mother was strong strong woman. So anyway, it does take a family. And I think that’s what’s really quite shocking is the number of single moms raising boys today. It’s tragic, tragic.

Now, Dr. Z, you do a form of hunting, some might call it foe hunting, where Robert Kiyosaki, Eric’s told me that he actually has been hunting with Robert Kiyosaki on multiple occasions where they’re out there for multiple days. They’re in a situation where they’re kind of removed from the accoutrements of modern life. They’re sort of off the grid. Dr. Z, can you share with Robert Kiyosaki here about your approach to hunting? Because I think your approach to hunting

is a little bit different. Well, I’m more of a gentleman hunter, I guess you would say. High fence is kind of my friend. They don’t actually tie the animal to the tree, but it is,

it is kind of almost a guaranteed hunt. Wink, wink, if you know what I mean. And then we retired to the, uh, fire pit area where, uh, we have, um, a cigar and maybe, uh, uh of your choice. Lagavulin. Real quick, this is a true story here.

Dr. Z, I’ve listened to an unhealthy amount of Robert Kiyosaki’s podcasts, and I’ve spent an unhealthy amount of time with you. And you two guys are so similar. So when Robert comes to the event in Tulsa, I’m having, we’re organizing a dinner

that night for the a couple of the speakers. I’m going to make sure you two you two guys get to know each other, because you are so similar in every checkbox. And you guys are both so excited about teaching success. So I want to go back to this idea of teaching success. There’s somebody watching this show right now and you are in a hypnotic rhythm. Somebody watch and I’m talking to you right now. You’re in a hypnotic rhythm where you go to work, you go to church, you go home. I’ll repeat. You go to work, you go to church, you go home. Again. You go to work, you go to church, you go home. Again, you go to work, you go to church, you go home.

You’re 37. You go to work, you go to church, you go home. You’re 52. And there’s somebody needs to just wake up. There’s something that has to happen. I grew up without money and Robert Kiyosaki,

your book was, my boss, Jeremy Thorne said, Clay, I’m a 19 year old working at Faith Highway and Impact Productions, it’s a call center. He says, you need to read Rich Dad, Poor Dad. And I said, why? He said, cause you’re going 90 miles an hour

in a circular motion. You’re like a boat without a rudder. I see the energy you’re putting into it. I’m a couple years older than you and I really think you need to read this book. And just the discipline of knowing, okay, here’s the path. I’m going to go from being an employee to self-employed to being a business owner to

being an investor. That was so freeing for me and then 2005 meeting with Sean Copeland and Dr. Z and a handful of guys who kept telling me you know just save a set percentage of your income you know just say and just just that that discipline of take 25% of my income buy gold 25% buy real estate from emotional people that let me know there was a proven path. What do you say to somebody right now who’s watching this Robert Kiyosaki?

And there, for some reason, they’ve been in that hypnotic rhythm. They’ve been drifting, which I think is more dangerous than going the wrong way because you don’t know how bad it’s getting. What do you say to somebody who needs that wake up call, sir? Well, you’ve got to seek teacher. Who are your teachers?

Like Dr. Z, you know, I would seek him out. And I sought my rich dad out. And it came from the story of the three wise men. Not very religious, but I had to go to Sunday school. And my Sunday school teacher said, why were the three wise men wise?

And I said, because they were rich. And she goes, what? I’m seven years old, they were rich. She goes, why do you say that? I said, one had gold, one had frankincense, and one had myrrh.

That’s why they were wise. She goes, that’s not it. So I said, Well, why were they why she says, they were seeking the best teacher. That became a lesson in my life, that I have had, I’ve had numerous types of rich dads and rich women. But I want to see the people who are actually doing it, not theorizing it.

So I was in the MBA program, I was sound asleep, and this guy was telling me stuff he’d never done before. Do you know what I mean? How can you teach kids when you haven’t done it before? That’s like when I went to Vietnam, I saw the you know, like this thing here. Before I

was teaching at Camp Pendleton. And I wanted to know who was the best pilot, the best gunship pilot, his name was Captain Forrester. And so I was at Camp Pendleton, California, and I sought Captain Forrester out. I said, Captain Forrester, teach me. And he taught me stuff they don’t teach you in flight school.

How to stay alive, how to fight, how to gun, how to hit trees. And so you always want to seek the best teacher and I still do the same thing today. I still seek the best teacher. Now Robert Kiyosaki, one thing I noticed a lot and Dr. Z I’m sure you’ve seen it a lot, I meet people all the time that come into my life and they say you know I’ve got 400,000 followers on Twitter and I go well that’s that’s incredible that’s actually more than I have it’s incredible thank you and they say, you know, I’ve got 400,000 followers on Twitter. And I go, well, that’s, that’s incredible.

That’s actually more than I have. It’s incredible. Thank you. And they’ll say, uh, and so I don’t, here’s the thing. I don’t actually have any money. And I hear that all the time.

They go, I have, I’m on Tik TOK. I got a million followers on Tik TOK. business conference I’ve done and I have spoken at business conferences for now 20 years doing this and when I people will show up and they do it all the time and it’s becoming increasingly normal for somebody who’s a beautiful looking man or woman and they’ll come to me and they’ll say I’ve got 170,000 followers on Instagram you know I don’t have any actual customers and they’re constantly feeding the beast making videos Making viral videos about how to get rich and then the videos keep getting shorter because you know, the shorts get more views, right?

So now they’re doing like 14 second videos where they go Adding music to it and the videos are getting dumber and shorter and they’re getting more viral and they’re making less money and they’re spending more of their time making these videos. Robert Kiyosaki, what do you say about the world of charlatanism that we live in where all these influencers who keep making increasingly shorter and dumber videos, what are your thoughts

on that? Well, first of all, I think YouTube is a tremendous educational platform for good and bad. So you’ve got to really again, choose your teachers wisely as anything else. So the biggest, best lesson sits in the back here.

And I think you do it and Dr. Z does it, once you learn something, if you really want to learn it, you gotta teach it. Teaching is one of the highest gifts you can give yourself. But like when I meet people like you, Clay, I was at the gym yesterday,

and these young guys come up to me and say, thank you, you changed my life. That’s the biggest juice there is. Yeah, you know, when you back what you’ve learned, you’ve actually earned it then. So I created the board game. So once you learn the game, then you can teach others. And that’s how we changed the world. People, people

is better than going to school. I’m going to pull this up real quick. So our listeners can see this the website here, rich dad.com rich dad.com. That’s where you can purchase the board game. Sir, is there a better place you want to direct people to what’s where’s the best place to buy the cash flow board game? Where can we go there, sir?

Well, it’s on the Rich Dad website. I don’t do that. My company does all that. No problem. I’m going there right now. I’ll put a link on the show notes. RichDad.com. See, I’m clicking on the store button here. I’m clicking, I’m pushing through carpool tunnel, I’m doing I’m clicking on the products button, I’m scrolling down, I’m I’m pushing, I’m pushing now, I’m now I encourage everybody out there, Currington, this is what I’m asking. I’m asking everybody out there that doesn’t hate themselves

to go right now to richdad.com. If you hate yourself, don’t worry about it. But if you don’t hate yourself, go to richdad.com and you’ll scroll under products, buy a copy of the physical game there. That’s called Action Number One. Called Action Number Two, there’s this incredible podcast on YouTube called the Rich Dad Radio

Show. I listen to this show everywhere I go. And I find myself listening to things like Octonon Verba and it takes me like seven times to get that concept through my cranium. And there’s a lot of shows that are not the Rich Dad Show. So you want to go to the official Rich Dad channel. There’s a lot of people that want to be the Rich Dad channel, but they’re not. So you go up here to YouTube, you got to find, I’ll put a link on the show notes as well. You need to subscribe. Now again, Z, this only applies to people that don’t hate themselves. So one, buy a copy of the book, subscribe on YouTube and then three as of right now we have 38 tickets left for

the in-person workshop coming up here March 6th and 7th and the way it’s gonna go is we’re gonna do a 90-minute Q&A session with Robert Kiyosaki and a 90-minute session with Eric Trump. A lot of conferences people talk at you this will be different because it’s the Q&A format. It’s the Q&A format. So see just to kind of demonstrate. If I get a ticket and I show up. Yes.

I can ask Special K a question. Any question that you want and it’s going to be a great environment. It’ll be about 300 people here so it’s going to be very interactive. We have scholarship tickets available to make it affordable for everybody. So just to demonstrate the power of the Q&A here and the final five minutes we have Robert Kiyosaki. I’m gonna give you the opportunity sir to ask your final Q and then he can provide an A and then Steve you have a question as well. So Robert

Robert Zellner, Dr. Zellner, what question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki? You know, I loved board games growing up. What was your favorite board game growing up, Robert Kiyosaki? Monopoly. Or Greenhouse. Okay, I’m going to ask you a question. This is going deep.

If you could own any color group on the board, think about this, any color group on the board. Think about this. Any color group on the board, which one gave you the best return? This see how much you know, monopoly. You’re asking me, dude, yes, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, the green ones. Oh.

Okay, now you’re two fellow board gamers, so somebody out there who’s a big monopoly fan, how does that resonate? Here’s the one that I did. The math, the dice, the orange were always the best. Really? Is that right? The orange were always the best. Really? Is that right?

The orange were always the best. The houses were cheaper, you better return, and more likely for people to land on them. I’m just telling you. Orange is where it’s at. What I’m gonna do at this VIP dinner

is I’m gonna make sure there’s a room sectioned off so you two can get into Monopoly and really have that debate. That’s my secret sauce. I just gave away my secret sauce to the game. I’m going to be, you know, I shouldn’t have said that. Now, Steve Currington, final question. What question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki, sir?

Are you still flying? Do you ever get up in the left seat of that Lear 60? Or, or no, no, no, it’s it’s it has proficiency, you lose your touch really quickly. Yep. So as best I stay, let somebody who’s flying every day. So I sit in the back. Now, Robert Kiyosaki, I’m going to pull this up real quick.

You’re the one of the listeners to see this again here. On Amazon, you wrote a book called Rich Dad Poor Dad. And most people know you because of that book. That book is an incredible book. I encourage everybody to buy a copy of that book. Also, you wrote the Rich Dad Guide to Investing.

I mean, that thing is so hot. That book, I’m telling you folks, if you haven’t picked up that book, Rich Dad Guide to Investing, that book is great. The book you wrote with Donald J. Trump, Why We Want You to Become Rich, I don’t know if people know about these books. I think some of our listeners do, some of them don’t.

I’m telling you, if you’re saying, hey, hey, listen, it’s, it’s January and you want to get a headstart on next year’s Christmas presents, pick up these books, get a copy of the board game. Robert Kiyosaki. I’m going to give you the final word, sir. Final 60 seconds.

What say you, sir? I like what Maria Montessori, you know, she was a great educational entrepreneur. She says what the hand does, the mind remembers. So in other words, if you want to play golf, you better pick up a golf club. And the reason the board game is so powerful

is you have to do all four intelligence, mental, emotional, spiritual, physical. That’s how we learn the best. And then you go to real life. Robert Kiyosaki, thank you so much, sir. I really do appreciate you investing your most important asset with us, which is your time. Thank you so much, sir. And we’ll see you in Tulsa, Oklahoma very soon, sir.. My honor I’m looking forward to Clay.

Thank you. Thank you. Take care. Bye-bye. Clay Clark is here somewhere. Where’s my buddy Clay? Clay’s the greatest. I met his goats today. I met his dogs. I met his chickens. I saw his compound. He’s like the greatest guy. I ran from his goats,. I met his dogs. I met his chickens. I saw his compound. He’s like the greatest guy I ran from his goats his chickens his dogs So this guy’s like the greatest marketer you’ve ever seen right his entire life clay Clark his entire life is is marketing Okay, Aaron Antis on March 6th and 7th March 6th and 7th, guess who’s coming to Tulsa, Russia?

Oh, Santa Claus? No, no, that’s March, March 6th and 7th. You’re going to be joined by Robert Kiyosaki, Robert Kiyosaki, best-selling author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad, probably the best-selling or one of the best-selling business authors of all time. And he’s going to be joined with Eric Trump. He’ll be joined by Eric Trump. We got Eric Trump and Robert Kiyosaki in the same place. In the same place. Aaron, why should

everybody show up to hear Robert Kiyosaki? Well you got billions of dollars of business experience between those two, not to mention many, many, many millions of books have been sold. Many, many millionaires have been made from the books that have been sold by Robert Kiyosaki. I happen to be one of them. I learned from the man.

He was the inspiration. That book was the inspiration for me to get the entrepreneurial spirit as many other people. Now since you won’t brag on yourself, I will. You’ve sold billions of dollars of houses, am I correct? That is true. And the book that that kick-started it all for you, Rich Dad Pornhub, the author, the best-selling author of Rich Dad Pornhub, Robert Kiyosaki, the

guy that kick-started your career, he’s gonna be here. He’s gonna be here, I’m pumped. And now Eric Trump, people don’t know this, but the Trump Organization has thousands of employees. There’s not 50 employees. The Trump Organization, again, most people don’t know this, but the Trump Organization

has thousands of employees. And while Donald J. Trump was the 45th president of these United States and soon to be the 47th president of these United States, he needed someone to run the companies for him. And so the man that runs the Trump Organization for Donald J. Trump as he was the 45th president of the United States and now the 47th president of the United States and now the 47th president of the United States is Eric Trump. So Eric Trump is here to

talk about time management, promoting from within, marketing, branding, quality control, sales systems, workflow design, workflow mapping, how to build. I mean, everything that you see, the Trump hotels, the Trump golf courses, all their products, the man who manages billions of dollars of real estate and thousands of employees is here to teach us how to do it.

You are talking about one of the greatest brands on the planet from a business standpoint. I mean, who else has been able to create a brand like the Trump brand? I mean, look at it. And this is the man behind the business for the last, pretty much since 2015. He’s been the man behind it. So you’re talking, we’re into nine going into ten years of him running it and we get to

tap into that knowledge. That’s going to be amazing. Now think about this for a second. Would you buy a ticket just to see Robert Kiyosaki and Eric Trump? Of course you would. Of course you would.

But we’re also going to be joined by Sean Baker. This is the best-selling author, the guy who invented the carnivore diet. Dr. Sean Baker, this is the best-selling author, the guy who invented the carnivore diet. Oh yeah. Dr. Sean Baker, he’s been on Joe Rogan multiple times. He’s going to be joining us. So you’ve got Robert Kiyosaki, the best-selling author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad, Eric Trump,

Sean Baker. The lineup continues to grow, and this is how we do our tickets here at the Thrive Time Show. time show. If you want to get a VIP ticket, you can absolutely do it. It’s $500 for a VIP ticket. We’ve always done it that way. Now, if you want to take a general admission ticket, it’s $250 or whatever price you want to pay. And the reason why I do that and the reason why we do that is because we want to make our events affordable for everybody. I grew up without money. I totally

understand what it’s like to be the tight spot. So if you want to attend, it’s $250 or whatever price you want to pay. That’s how I do it. And it’s $500 for a VIP ticket. Now we only have limited seating here with the most people we’ve ever had in this building

was for the Jim Brewer presentation. Jim Brewer came here, the legendary comedian, Jim Brewer came to Tulsa and we had 419 people that were here. 419 people.

And I thought to myself, there’s no more room. I felt kind of bad that a couple people had VIP seats in the men’s restroom. No, I’m just kidding. But I felt, so I thought, you know what, we should probably add on. So we’re adding on what we call the upper deck or the top shelf. So the seats are very close to the presenters,

but we’re actually building right now. We’re adding on to the facility to make room to accommodate another 30 attendees or more. So again, if you want to get tickets for this event, all you have to do is go to thrivetimeshow.com, go to thrivetimeshow.com. When you go to thrivetimeshow.com, you’ll go there, you’ll request a ticket, boom. Or if you want to text me, if you want a little

bit faster service, you say, I want you to call me right now. Just text my number. It’s my cell phone number, my personal cell phone number. We’ll keep that private between you, between you, me, everybody. We’ll keep that private. And anybody, don’t share that with anybody except for everybody. That’s my private cell phone number. It’s 918-851-0102. 918-851-0102. I know we have a lot of Spanish speaking people that attend these conferences. And so to be bilingually sensitive, my cell phone number is 918-851-0102. That is not actually bilingual.

That’s just saying Juan for a one. It’s not the same thing. I think you’re attacking me. Now let’s talk about this. Now, what kind of stuff will you learn at the Thrive Time Show Workshop? So Aaron, you’ve been to many of these

over the past seven, eight years. So let’s talk about it. I’ll tee up the thing and then you tell me what you’re going to learn here. Okay? Okay. You’re going to learn marketing, marketing and branding. What are we going to learn about marketing and branding? Oh yeah, we’re gonna dive into, you know, so many people say, oh you know, I got to get my brand known out there, like the Trump brand, right? You want to get that brand out there. It’s like, how do I actually make people know what my business is? And make it a household name? You’re gonna learn some intricacies of how you can do that. You’re going to learn sales.

So many people struggle to sell something. This just in, your business will go to hell if you can’t sell. So we’re going to teach you sales. We’re going to teach you search engine optimization, how to come up top in the search engine results. We’re going to teach you how to manage people. Aaron, you have managed, no exaggeration, hundreds of people throughout your career and thousands of contractors and

most people struggle with managing people. Why does everybody have to learn how to manage people? Well, because first of all, people are, you either have great people or you have people who suck and so it can be a challenge. You know, learning how to work with a large group of people and get everybody pulling in the same direction can be a challenge. But if you have the right systems,

you have the right processes and you’re really good at selecting great ones. And we have a process we teach about how to find great people. When you start with the people who have a great attitude, they’re teachable, they’re driven, all of those things, then you can get those people all pulling in the same direction. So we’re going to teach you branding, marketing, sales, search engine optimization. We’re going to teach you accounting.

We’re going to teach you personal finance, how to manage your finance. We’re going to teach you time management. How do you manage your time? How do you, how do you, how do you, how do you get more done during a typical day? How do you build an organization? If you’re not organized, how do you do, how do you do organization? How do you build an org chart?

Everything that you need to know to start and grow a business will be taught during this two day interactive business workshop. work chart, everything that you need to know to start and grow a business will be taught during this two day interactive business workshop. Now let me tell you how the format is set up here. And again folks, this is a two day interactive 15, think about this folks, it’s two days, each day it starts at 7am and it goes until 5pm.

So from 7am to 5pm, two days, it’s a two day interactive workshop. The way we do it is we do a.m. and it goes until 5 p.m. So from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m., two days, it’s a two-day interactive workshop. The way we do it is we do a 30-minute teaching session and then we break for 15 minutes for a question and answer session. So Aaron, what kind of great stuff happens

during that 15-minute question and answer session after every teaching session? I actually think it’s the best part about the workshops because here’s what happens I’ve been to lots of these things over the years I’ve paid many thousands of dollars to go to them and you go in there and they talk in vague generalities and they’re constantly up selling you for something trying to get you to buy this thing or that thing or

this program or this membership. And you don’t you leave not getting your very specific questions answered about your business or your employees or what you’re doing on your marketing. And what’s awesome about this is we literally answer every single question that any person asks. And it’s very specific to what your

business is. And what we do is we allow you as the attendee to write your questions on the whiteboard and then we literally as you mentioned we answer every single question on the whiteboard and then we take a 15-minute break to to stretch and to make it entertaining when you’re stretching and this is a true story. When you get up and stretch you’ll be greeted by mariachis there’s gonna probably be alpaca here llamas helicopter rides a coffee bar a snow cone I mean there’s

just you had a crocodile one time that was pretty interesting you know I I should write that down and I’m sorry for that Sorry for that one guy. We lost the crocodile. We duct taped its face. So that, right? We duct taped. It was a baby crocodile.

And we duct taped. Yeah, duct tape around the mouth so it didn’t bite anybody. But it was really cool passing that thing around. I should do that. I should.

We have a small petting zoo that will be assembled. It’s gonna be assembled. It’s going to be great. And then you’re in the company of hundreds of entrepreneurs. So there’s not a lot of people in America today. In fact, there’s less than 10 million people today, according to US debt clock, that identifies being self employed. So if you have a country with 350 million people, that means you have less than 3% of our population that’s even self employed. So it’s you only have 3 out of every 100 people in America that are self-employed to begin with,

and when Inc. Magazine reports that 96% of businesses fail by default, by default, you have a 1 out of 1000 chance of succeeding in the game of business. But yet, the average client that you and I work with, we can typically double this. I’m just no, no, no hyperbole, no exaggeration. I have thousands of testimonials to back this up. We have thousands of testimonials to back it up. But when you work with a home builder, when I work with a business owner, we can typically

double the size of the company within 24 months. Yeah, double and you say double Yeah, there’s businesses that we have tripled. There’s businesses. We’ve grown 8x. There’s so many examples You can see it thrive timeshow.com. But again, this is the most interactive best business workshop on the planet This is objectively the highest rated and most reviewed business workshop on the planet. And then you add to that Robert Kiyosaki, the best-selling author of Rich Dad Poor Dad. You add to that Eric Trump, the man that runs the Trump Organization.

You add to that Sean Baker. Now you might say, but Clay, is there more? I need more. Well, okay, Tom Wheelwright is the more? I need more. Well, okay. Tom Wheelwright is the wealth strategist for Robert Kiyosaki. So people say, Robert Kiyosaki, who’s his financial wealth advisor? Who’s the guy who manages, who’s his wealth strategist?

His wealth strategist, Tom Wheelwright will be here. And you say, Clay, I still, I’m not going to get a ticket unless you give me more. Okay, fine. We’re going to serve you the same meal both days. True story. We have, we cater in the food and because I keep it simple, I literally bring him the

same food both days for lunch. It’s Ted Esconzito’s, an incredible Mexican restaurant. That’s going to happen. And Jill Donovan, our good friend, who is the founder of Rustic Cuff. She started that company in her home and now she sells millions of dollars of apparel and products. That’s rusticcuff.com. And someone says, I want more. This is not enough. Give me more.

Okay. I’m not going. Give me more. Okay. Um, I, I’m not gonna mention their names right now. Cause I’m, because I’m working on it behind the scenes here, but we’ve got one guy who’s given me a verbal to be here, and this is a guy who’s one of the wealthiest people in Oklahoma. And nobody really knows who he is because he’s built systems that are very

utilitarian, that offer a lot of value. He’s made a lot of money in the uh it’s the uh it’s where you rent it’s short it’s where you’re renting storage spaces. He’s a storage space guy. He owns the what do you call that the rental the uh storage space storage units. This guy owns storage units. He owns railroad cars. He owns a lot of assets that make No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no warehouse that’s passively making money. Most people don’t know who owns the railroad cars, but this guy, he’s giving me a verbal that he will be here. And we just continue to add more and more success stories.

So if you’re out there today and you want to change your life, you want to give yourself an incredible gift, you want a life-changing experience, you want to learn how to start and grow a company, go to Thrivetimeshow time show calm go there right now drive time show calm request a ticket for the two-day interactive event again the day here is March 6th and 7th March 6th and

7th we just got confirmation Robert Kiyosaki best-selling author rich dad poor dad he’ll be here Eric Trump the man who leads the Trump organization it’s gonna be a blasty blast there’s no upsells Aaron I could at Port Ed, he’ll be here. Eric Trump, the man who leads the Trump organization. It’s going to be a blasty blast. There’s no upsells. Aaron, I could not be more excited about this event. I think it is incredible. And there’s somebody out there right now you’re watching and you’re like, but I already signed up for this incredible other program called Smoke

Your Way to Thin. I think that’s going to change your life. I promise you this will be 10 times better than that. I’m is not a viable… I mean, it is life-changing. It is life-changing. If you become a jade smoker, it is life-changing. It’s not the best weight loss program though. Right. Not really. So if you’re looking to have life-changing results in a way that won’t cause you to have a stoma, get your tickets at thrivetimeshow.com. Again, that’s Aaron Antis. I’m Clay Clark reminding you and inviting you to come out

to the two-day interactive Thrive Time Show Workshop right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I promise you, it will be a life-changing experience. We can’t wait to see you right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I’m Chelsea Hershey. And I’m a rock caver retriever. I’m a rock caver retriever. I’m a rock caver retriever. I’m a rock caver retriever. I’m a rock caver retriever. I’m a rock caver retriever. I’m a rock caver retriever.

I’m a rock caver retriever. and it’s been a great experience. So when we first started, leads was actually our biggest limiting factor. So we just, yeah, we were struggling to get some leads. We had great connections with people, but we were just hoping to grow a little more and a little faster than we were.

So that was our biggest limiting factor. We’ve about doubled our leads. And so that is no longer our biggest limiting factor right now. So that’s our biggest limiting factor. We’ve about doubled our leads. And so that is no longer our biggest limiting factor right now. So that’s been great. Some of the things we worked on or fixed was we did,

we were already doing some advertising. So we increased our advertising. Our website was kind of a mess. I mean, it was beautiful, but it wasn’t being found. So that was our biggest issue. So you guys helped make us more Google compliant. Our coach worked with us. That was amazing. Getting it where people can actually find

us. So that has been really important and then also getting really good high-quality Google reviews where people can, we’re in an industry that very much relies on trust and so having those referrals and Google reviews has been really important for us. It’s had a huge impact. So just the stability and predictability that comes with a business coach.

Honestly, that was the biggest thing for me. I really appreciate. I know every morning, every Friday morning at 5am, we’re going to meet with Andrew. We’re going to go over our numbers, we’re going to talk about our biggest limiting factor, that way we can just kind of chink away at that and so we can grow systematically. It’s not chaotic at all and so having that

and the way it impacts our family has been huge too just because, yeah, we have, like I said, we are very much family oriented. We have four kids and so it’s really important to us that it doesn’t become all about the business. And that is something I’ve really appreciated. Andrew actually cares about our marriage. He cares about our family and our kids and keeping that all in line with what we have told him is our highest priorities

has been really important. And honestly, if that wasn’t the case, we probably would not be doing business coaching. So that’s a very important part for us. You can either learn experience and bashing your head against the wall, or you can talk to the guy that’s already got the jackhammer on the other side of the wall.

And in my experience, it’s every dollar spent on coaching has returned to me like a hundred thousand, ten thousand times. And it’s not just that. I got there so much faster. So people come in and they’re calling in, they’re already pre-sold. They’re saying, oh like I’ve watched all your videos, blah blah blah. And it’s like just a matter of picking

out which funky they want. As opposed to prior to that, it might be more like, I’m skeptical, blah. You know, there’s, we’ve broken through that whole wall of skepticism because there’s just so many people now singing our praises that aren’t us. And it makes the sales job easier, makes the marketing easier, makes everything just so much more effective when we’ve got just, you know, it’s not just you got one testimonial, it’s you got, oh, I’m a feminist basket weaving artisan.

Do you have a bunkie that works for me? And I go, well, here’s a video of a feminist basket weaving artisan raving about the bunkie. It’s just, they can relate to that on that level. My saying is, if it’s important to you, hire a coach. And I think that’s one of the

reasons people are not successful is they, you know, they eat a cheeseburger instead of hiring a coach, you know what I mean? And so my coach pushes me, they’re younger than me, they push harder, they’re more, they’re trained. And as my rich dad always said, you know, amateurs don’t have a coach, but professionals always have coaches. So I’ve always had coaches for whatever was important. My rich dad was one of those persons. I wanted to learn how to play Monopoly in real life.

So he was my coach. What made you decide that you wanted maybe a mentor or an ongoing business coach to help you grow BunkyLife.com? So for me, it was just that I ultimately wanted to grow. So my thoughts are, I mean, how much are you gonna pay?

It’s either gonna be the cost of trying to figure out in your own trial and error, or are you gonna pay someone else who’s been there and done that? And I’d rather just pay the bid there, done that price, as opposed to the trial and error price,

which is a lot more expensive. My saying is, if it’s important to you, hire a coach. And I think that’s one of the reasons people are not successful is they, you know, they eat a cheeseburger instead of hiring a coach, you know what I mean?

And so my coach pushes me, they’re younger than me, they push harder, they’re trained. And as my rich dad always said, amateurs don’t have a coach, but professionals always have coaches. So I’ve always had coaches for whatever was important.

My rich dad was one of those persons. I wanted to learn how to play Monopoly in real life. So he was my coach.

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