Credit Cards | Why Traveling Around the World Is Not Just for the Rich & Famous + How Most Out of Your Credit Card Reward Points + Spencer Howard + How to Earn FREE Travel Starting NOW

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Okay, Thrive Nation, on today’s show, I don’t normally do this, but I’m going to dedicate this specific show to my daughter, my eldest daughter, Havana, because she was asking me, she said, Dad, what credit card should I get? And which ones give me points? Which kind of points do I want? Is cash back a good idea?

Are airline miles a good idea? So a lot of times there’s people who’ve paid the cost to become the boss somebody who’s put in the energy Needed to become an expert and they’re given craft and today’s show is known as sort of like the credit cards reward points guy the reward points guy the credit card reward guy the guy you want to know about this guy has a Newsletter that is thriving and ever-growing his name is Spencer Howard and I encourage everyone look him up Spencer Howard someone says

Spencer Howard.

Who’s that? Spencer Howard. Look him up. This is the credit card rewards guy. He knows all things related to how to maximize the rewards you get by using your credit cards. And nothing further to do. Spencer Howard. Welcome to the Thrive Time Show. How are you, sir?

Hey, thanks so much for having me. Appreciate it.

Well, first off, how did you become the credit card points guy?

Way too much reading. I always say that you can study a ton and learn everything you need to know, or you can just listen to me at this point. But I spent about four hours a night for six months learning everything you could ever want to know about airline routing rules, credit card benefits, credit card bonus categories, pretty much anything to help you travel with points and miles.

They say, well, I got a call from a guy, and I ran into someone at the mall. I was at the airport, and someone made me a pitch. And they said, you want to get a Discover card? Hey, do you want to get an American Express card? And so I signed up. And they’re kind of embarrassed to hear about how they got their credit card.

They said I was on a college campus. Somebody came and hard-pitched me on getting a Discover card, a MasterCard. I signed up. That’s the card I’ve had for 20 years. What is the step one people need to take if they want to maximize the rewards they get from their credit cards.

Sure, it’s a step back. Don’t listen to the people pitching you cards. There’s nothing wrong with the cards they’re pitching. I’m sure they’re beneficial for lots of people. But if you want to really get the most out of your spend and then get travel out of it,

you really want to take a step back and kind of plan for your travel before you jump in and start getting credit cards.

So let’s say to my daughter, who’s 20 years old, and she is in a place in her life where she might go to concerts with her friends and she has a job and works hard and she tries to live below her means. What is the first step that she should take right now

to find the right credit cards for her that will give her the most reward points?

Yeah, I always tell people to match their spending to bonus categories. So you can earn, there are cards that’ll earn just like 2X on everything, that’s great. I think you should always be earning at least 2X points. But there’s others that earn three, four, or 5X,

and it just depends where you’re spending your money. If it’s grocery stores, or going to restaurants, or gas stations, like there’s cards that will help you earn three, four points per dollar. And that’s on top of any signup bonuses you can get from getting new cards.

Now do you have a website that people can go to if they want to like dive into your research or where do you direct people to?

Yeah, straighttothepoints.co. I have a quick start guide there where people can read the basics and kind of get the foundational knowledge that you kind of need to know to get started in this world.

Straighttothepoints.co. Straighttothepoints.co. What do you say to the business owners out there? A lot of our listeners have businesses where they put almost every purchase on credit cards and thus they’re spending millions of dollars a year

on their credit cards or with their credit cards. What would you say to somebody out there who’s a business owner?

Yeah, if you wanna travel, business owners are in prime position when it comes to credit card points. Just because of the spend you have to do to keep your business running. I have clients who, like you mentioned, spend millions of dollars a year on credit cards

and they just run into having points that they can then leverage for business and first-class flights to go to Europe, go to Asia, go to Australia, wherever.

And again, I think that most people are not doing your system by default. Most people are simply not leveraging their credit card reward points properly. Where do people get it wrong typically?

Yeah, I think there’s people who want to travel, but they just don’t think about what credit card they’re using. So, they’ll get a cashback card, which is great. If you don’t care about travel, get a cashback card, keep your life simple. But I think a lot of it’s just not putting any thought into it at all at the beginning. And so, for me, it’s like if you’re a business that has a lot of digital ad spend, there

are cards that are in three and four points per dollar. Meanwhile, most people I know have a card that maybe earns one point per dollar, gets them 1% cash back and they’re just missing out on a ton of travel, honestly. And honestly, a ton of travel in like premium cabins. So it’s going to be nice travel. It doesn’t have to be a miserable experience.

Now my understanding is that you, a large part of why you got into this industry is that you wanted to travel and you believed that travel didn’t have to be something just for rich people. Could you tell us about your story?

Sure, yeah. I was, I worked in politics for years and never really had any time off. And it was only in my last political job where they actually told us to take our time off, where I started trying to understand how I could do this better. For me, business and first class flights were out of my price range at the time and still often, and they still often are.

But I think with points that you can earn just through day-to-day spending, especially business owners, you can access the same flights that somebody who can just pay cash for those. So it’s not that you’re going to fly business class every single time you travel unless maybe you have a ton of points. But if so, great. But I think we all deserve a nice, relaxing experience rather than cramming ourselves

into the back of a plane for 12 hours.

Now, I’ve heard you say on previous podcasts and gone to your website, again, folks, that website is straight to the points.co, straight to the points.co, that really, it’s important to play chess with your reward points and not checkers. What do you mean by that?

Yeah, I think a lot of people, they earn some points and they just use them. And to them, it’s just like, oh, just like, let’s just get to start using them. And that’s great to an extent, but if you’re booking an economy flight that’s domestic

and it would be only a couple hundred bucks and you can afford that, I tend to say like, why don’t you save your points for the flights that would cost you an extraordinary amount of money. So like if you’re going to Europe

and you want to fly in business class, that’s probably going to be more cost prohibitive than paying for an economy ticket domestically. And again, it always depends on someone’s financial position but I think that’s one of the big keys is just being able to think about what you’re doing next.

On the credit card side though, it’s also just thinking about which cards you’re getting based on your circumstances and which cards are gonna help you get to the trip you want.

So I’m gonna pull up your website here so people can kind of experience that and see it there. It’s straight to the points.co, straight to the points.co. Can you kind of walk us through your website a little bit and tell us where people wanna go or should go if they wanna get this conversation going?

Yeah, if you’re a complete beginner to this, there’s a resources tab where you can get the quick start guide or talk or set up a point strategy call with me. But the quick start guide is where you can really kind of get that foundational knowledge that make all the things you’re going to learn a little bit easier to understand. I always compare I was a pitcher in baseball growing up and I always compare it to learning how to pitch where there’s five basic steps.

And when you’re new, everything is like you feel every single one, you count them out and it’s difficult and it takes a lot of your energy. But by the time you’ve been doing it for a few years, it just kind of happens fluidly. But you have to learn those kind of foundational pieces to be able to do that. And that’s where the Quick Start Guide really helps.

Now let’s go back to the website here. Again, I’m trying to make this very practical for everybody out there who’s not familiar with your work. Tell us about the other resources you have here at straight to the points dot co

Yeah, so the award alerts newsletter is kind of my day-to-day I I learned several years ago when I was doing all this research that Finding business and first-class award space for multiple people is probably the toughest part in this game Rather than make people bang their heads against their desk while searching, I decided to just keep an eye on award space and send out the exact dates that people can book and then explain to them what the best ways to use your points are to book those flights.

For a little context on that, there’s often multiple ways to book the same flight with different points and miles. It’s just a game of arbitrage, figuring out which one will let you use the fewest points for the same flight.

How often do you travel?

Well, in the last seven years, I’ve probably spent about three months of each year abroad. So, it’s been quite a bit.

Yeah.

As you’ve traveled around the world, where are some of the favorite places that you’ve gone to?

Sure.

Taiwan is one of my favorites. I think it’s a kind of a flies under the radar a bit. Most of the time when I say I love Taiwan, people say, oh, I love Thailand. And I’m like, oh, it’s a great place too. And it also has great food, just a different place. But I really like Taiwan.

I took a two week road trip through Germany. Thought that was beautiful. Going to the Black Forest is a wonderful way to spend the summer. So yeah, those are two of my favorites, but there’s so many, let’s be honest.

And are you traveling almost entirely with reward points at this point?

Flights, especially, yeah. That’s where I prioritize using my points just because I’m 6’3 and I want to lie down on flight

So flying in business class is fun now. So let’s let’s get back to this. You know, how did you? Get how did you get started with this? I mean, you’re now like the world’s expert of reward points How did you gain traction with this idea? How did you know? This was going to be a really something you would focus on

Yeah, so it was I guess I started writing about points and miles about nine months after I found that points existed. I just realized I had crammed a ton of knowledge into my brain and I could help other people do the same thing. So I started doing that and then through writing and hearing feedback from readers, I realized how much trouble people are having booking their families in business class with points.

So that’s where the newsletter stems from, is just hearing from readers.

So if I’m watching right now and I go, okay, I really want to get the most out of this. What’s step one, step two, step three that you encourage all of our listeners to take today?

Yeah, step one, check out the Quick Start Guide. Just go through that, get a nice basic understanding of what’s going on. And then two, ask questions. We’re all continuing to learn. You’re never going to know everything.

I answer tons of questions on Instagram. People DM me all the time, ask questions and comments on my post. And that’s, that’s just the part of the learning process. And as you’re doing that, I would say sign up for the free version of my newsletter, it gives you a sense of kind of what award space is out there and what you could book with your points. And I

like to think that once you’ve done that for a little bit, you’ll see why the paid version is a is a great options and she’ll get even more benefit out of it. But that’s how I would go through it.

Are there any tropical places that you’ve been to where you’d say, wow, that was something everybody should see?

Oh, that’s a good question. I mostly go to like Southeast Asia. I’m not really a Caribbean person. Maybe I should learn to relax, but I love going places where I can get out and explore and try food and meet people. So Thailand has kind of a combination of both, or you can go to the beach, or you can go through the

city of Bangkok, or you can go to the jungle in Chiang Mai. So you have a lot of options in Thailand, I think.

Now my understanding is that you have the belief that everybody watching today’s show can benefit by plugging into your system. What would you say to the doubters out there?

We were all doubters at one point, I’ll be honest. I thought credit cards were for fools when I was younger because to me it was just like, oh, you’re just going in debt. It was only when I realized that you can treat credit cards like debit cards and pay them off on time all the time that you can just reap some benefits from what you’re spending on.

I mean, you can pay with cash, but you don’t earn any points that gives you something back in the back end. Yeah, that’s kind of what I tell people.

And where are you?

Are you most consistently putting out content there on your site or do you maintain a podcast or is the newsletter coming out weekly or how often do you update people that choose to engage with you?

Yeah, so the newsletter I send three to five alerts per week. I like I’ve always maintained that I’m not going to send you something just to say that I’ve sent you something. Yeah, I’m more about showing the value rather than just showing that I’m here. And I also do a lot of content on Instagram, whether it’s posts or stories.

Yeah, I’m just really active on Instagram.

Now, you know, a lot of times when I interview wonderful entrepreneurs, last week we interviewed the gentleman who helped to co-found the Yeezy brand, Kanye West’s Yeezy brand. And I asked him this question, I’ll ask you the same thing.

I always ask people, you know, when you hop off a podcast, sometimes you say, I wish the host would have asked me this or man, I wish I, the host would have brought up this subject. What’s on your heart right now that you really want to get out to the world that may be watching right now and taking notes? Yeah, it’s an interesting question.

I would say just start. You don’t have to rush in full speed. It’s OK to just kind of take your time and figure things out. Yeah, just be methodical. It’s a game. It’s complicated, but it’s not as complicated as you think once you just start learning

each piece. Everything you learn is going to build off of what you’ve learned before, so it’s actually more manageable than it seems.

So if you were talking to my 20-year-old daughter right now, she’s 20 years old, she has certain credit cards that she got that offered reward points of some kind or cash back of some kind. What would be the action steps that you would encourage her to take?

Yeah, get a good understanding of your credit score. Make sure you know what that is. That’s kind of a foundational piece of being able to play this game. I always tell people you want to see a credit score of seven hundred, maybe seven twenty plus. And then from there, think about the income you’re making. Ask questions of people who’ve been at it for a while and see which cards you probably can get approved for right now.

If you’re a student at like 20 years old, sometimes you need to get a student credit card to start. Other times, if you already have some income, it sounds like your daughter’s already making some money. She may be able to kind of jump right into the travel rewards game. And where are the credit cards that you would recommend? Where can we go to see the different credit cards that are available? Sure. I maintain a list of the best card offers on my site that I update as often as I can, honestly.

And anytime somebody points out to me that they found a better offer out there, I try to update that as well.

So this is right here, straight to the points.co. We go here, we click on credit cards, travel credit cards. We click there, and these are the ones that you have sort of vetted and said, hey, these are ones you should check out?

Yep. These are the offers that I… And I move the offers around based on, you know, what’s coming out. Offers change. Always remember that. It’s not the same offer today as it is tomorrow.

So I try to keep on top of that so that other people don’t have to.

Now why are some of these credit cards offering or asking for or requiring an annual fee where some of them don’t?

Sure. I would say that most of the best cards you’re going to find are going to ask for an annual fee. To me, it’s a cost-benefit analysis. It’s kind of simple math. If it’s giving you more benefit than it’s costing you, then it might be a card that’s worth keeping. But a lot of people in this space, I’ll tell you, we get lots of credit cards because you’re never going to earn points faster than a new credit card signup bonus. But yeah, again, it’s all about figuring out how you want to play this game. You don’t have to get tons of credit cards.

It’s just a matter of finding what works for you.

So you’re saying that most of the cards that offer the most rewards do require some kind

of fee?

Yep, absolutely. And they generally come with lots more benefits as well, like no foreign transaction fees. Some come with some sort of airport lounge access. Yeah, trip delay protection in case, you know. I have a credit card that if the Chase Sapphire Reserve, if my flight is delayed by six hours or more or I have to spend the night or I have to stay a night to get the new flight,

they’ll cover up to $500 for what they call reasonable expenses, which is like a hotel, an Uber, food, whatever. So it’s one of those things where it’s, you know, you definitely pay more, but depending on your travel habits, the annual fees can definitely be worth it.

Now, Spencer, I totally want to respect your time today. Saul, I’ll let you have the final word here, the final 60 seconds we have here together. What’s the message you want to convey to all of our listeners right now who are listening in and taking notes?

Sure. It’s business class and first class flights on international routes are possible for a lot of us and I think if you just put a little effort in up front you can reap huge rewards from playing the points

game. Spencer thank you so much for your time again that website is straighttothepoints.co and we look forward to having you on again there sir. Clay thanks so much for having me. Take care brother.

Clay Clark is here somewhere where’s my buddy Clay?

Clay is the greatest. I met his goats today, I met his dogs, I met his chickens, I saw his compound. He’s like the greatest guy.

I ran from his goats, his chickens, his dogs.

So this guy is like the greatest marketer you’ve ever seen, right? His entire life, Clay Clark, his entire life is marketing.

Okay, Aaron Antis, March 6th and 7th, March 6th and 7th, guess who’s coming to Tulsa, Russia?

Ooh, Santa Claus?

No, that’s March. March 6 and 7, you’re going to be joined by Robert Kiyosaki, best-selling author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad, probably the best-selling or one of the best-selling business authors of all time. And he’s going to be joined with Eric Trump.

He’ll be joined by Eric Trump. Eric Trump and Robert Kiyosaki in the same place.

In the same place.

Aaron, why should everybody show up to hear Robert Kiyosaki? Well, you got billions of dollars of business experience between those two, not to mention many, many, many millions of books have been sold. Many, many millionaires have been made from the books that have been sold by Robert Kiyosaki. I happen to be one of them. I learned from the man. He was the inspiration. That book was the inspiration for me to get the entrepreneurial spirit, as many other

people. Now since you won’t brag on yourself, I will. You’ve sold billions of dollars of houses, am I correct? That is true. And the book that kick-started it all for you, Rich Dad Poor Dad, the best-selling author of Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki, the guy that kick-started your career, he’s going

to be here. He’s going to be here. I’m bummed. And now Eric Trump, people don’t know this, but the Trump Organization has thousands of employees. There’s not 50 employees. The Trump Organization, again, most people don’t know this, but the Trump Organization has thousands of employees. And while Donald J. Trump was the 45th president of these United States and soon to be the

47th president of these United States, he needed someone to run the companies for him. And so the man that runs the Trump Organization organization for Donald J. Trump as he was the 45th president of the United States and now the 47th president of the United States is Eric Trump. So Eric Trump is here to talk about time management, promoting from within, marketing, branding, quality control, sales systems, workflow design, workflow mapping, how to build.

I mean, everything that you see, the Trump hotels, the Trump golf courses, all their products. The man who manages billions of dollars of real estate and thousands of employees is here to teach us how to do it. You are talking about one of the greatest brands on the planet from a business standpoint. I mean, who else has been able to create a brand like the Trump brand? I mean, look at it. And this is the man behind it so you’re talking we’re into nine going into ten years of him running it and we get to Tap into that knowledge. That’s gonna be amazing now think about this for a second

You know would you buy a ticket just to see a Robert Kiyosaki Eric Trump of course you would of course you would But we’re also gonna be joined by Sean Baker. This is the best-selling author the guy who invented the carnivore diet. Oh, yeah, dr. Sean Baker he’s been on Joe Rogan multiple times, he’s going to be joining us. So you’ve got Robert Kiyosaki, the best-selling author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad, Eric Trump, Sean Baker, the lineup continues to grow. And this is how we do our tickets here at the Thrive Time Show.

If you want to get a VIP ticket, you can absolutely do it. It’s $500 for a VIP ticket. We’ve always done it that way. Now, if you want to take a general admission ticket, it’s $250 or whatever price you want to pay. And the reason why I do that, and the reason why we do that, is because we want to make

our events affordable for everybody. I grew up without money. I totally understand what it’s like to be in a tight spot. So if you want to attend, it’s $250 or whatever price you want to pay. That’s how I do it. And it’s $500 for a VIP ticket.

Now, we only have limited seating here. The most people we’ve ever had in this building was for the Jim Brewer presentation. Jim Brewer came here. The legendary comedian Jim Brewer came to Tulsa. And we had 419 people that were here. 419 people.

Yeah.

And I thought to myself, there’s no more room. I felt kind of bad that a couple of people had VIP seats in the men’s restroom. Oh, no, I’m just kidding. So I thought, you know what, we should probably add on. So we’re adding on what we call the upper deck,

or the top shelf. So the seats are very close to the presenters, but we’re actually building right now. We’re adding on to the facility to make room to accommodate another 30 attendees or more. So again, if you want to get tickets for this event, all you have to do is go to Thrivetimeshow.com,

go to Thrivetimeshow.com, when you go to Thrivetimeshow.com, you’ll go there, you’ll request a ticket, boom. Or if you want to text me, if you want a little bit faster service, you say, I want you to call me right now, just text my number. It’s my cell phone number my personal cell phone number will keep that private between you between you me Everybody will get that private in anybody don’t share that with anybody except for everybody. That’s my private cell phone number It’s nine one eight eight five one zero one zero two nine one eight eight five one zero one zero two

I know we have a lot of the Spanish speaking people that attend these conferences and So to be bilingually sensitive my cell phone number is nine one eight eight five one zero one zero two is 918-851-0102. That is not actually bilingual. That’s just saying one for a one. It’s not the same thing.

I think you’re attacking me. Now, let’s talk about this. Now, what kind of stuff will you learn at the Thrive Time Show workshop? So Aaron, you’ve been to many of these over the past seven, eight years.

So let’s talk about it. I’ll tee up the thing, and then you tell me what you’re going to learn here, OK? OK. You’re going to learn marketing, marketing and branding. we’re going to dive into, you know, so many people say, oh you know, I got to get my

brand known out there, like the Trump brand. You want to get that brand out there. It’s like, how do I actually make people know what my business is? And make it a household name. You’re going to learn some intricacies of how you can do that. You’re going to learn sales. So many people struggle to sell something. This just in, your business will go to hell if you can’t sell, so we’re going to teach you sales.

We’re going to teach you search engine optimization, how to come up top in the search engine results. We’re going to teach you how to manage people. Aaron, you have managed, no exaggeration, hundreds of people throughout your career and thousands of contractors, and most people struggle with managing people. Why does everybody have to learn how to manage people? Well, because, first of all, you either have great people or you have people who suck.

And so it can be a challenge. You know, learning how to work with a large group of people and get everybody pulling in the same direction can be a challenge. But if you have the right systems, you have the right processes, and you’re really good at selecting great ones, and we have a process we teach about how to find great people. When you start with the people who have a great attitude, they’re teachable,

they’re driven, all of those things, then you can get those people all pulling in the

same direction.

So we’re going to teach you branding, marketing, sales, search engine optimization. We’re going to teach you accounting. We’re going to teach you personal finance, how to manage your finance. We’re going to teach you time management. How do you manage your time? How do you get more done during a typical day? How do you build an organization if you’re not organized? How do you do how do you do organization? How do you build an org chart? Everything that you need to know to start and grow a business will be taught during this two

day interactive business workshop. Now let me tell you how the format is set up here. And again folks this is a two day interactive 15, think about this folks it’s two days. Each day it starts at 7 a.m. and it goes until 5 p.m. So from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. two days, it’s a two-day interactive workshop. The way we do it is we do a 30-minute teaching session and then we break for 15 minutes for a question and answer session.

So Aaron, what kind of great stuff happens during that 15-minute question and answer session after every teaching session? I actually think it’s the best part about the workshops because here’s what happens. I’ve been to lots of these things over the years. I’ve paid many thousands of dollars to go to them. And you go in there and they talk in vague generalities

and they’re constantly upselling you for something, trying to get you to buy this thing or that thing or this program or this membership. And you don’t, you leave not getting your very specific questions answered about your business or your employees or what you’re doing on your marketing.

And what’s awesome about this is we literally answer every single question that any person asks. And it’s very specific to what your business is. And what we do is we allow you, as the attendee, to write your questions on the whiteboard. And then we literally, as you mentioned,

we answer every single question on the whiteboard. And then we take a 15-minute break to stretch and to make it entertaining when you’re stretching. And this is a true story. When you get up and stretch, you’ll be greeted by mariachis.

There’s going to probably be alpaca here, llamas, helicopter rides, a coffee bar, a snow cone. I mean, you had a crocodile one time.

That was pretty interesting.

You know, I should write that down.

And I can do that.

Sorry for that one guy that we lost.

The crocodile, we duct taped its face. So that’s right, we duct taped. It was a baby crocodile. And we duct taped. Yeah, duct taped around the mouth so it didn’t bite anybody.

But it was really cool passing that thing around. And I should do that. We have a small petting zoo that will be assembled. It’s going to be great. And then you’re in the company of hundreds of entrepreneurs. So there’s not a lot of people in America today.

In fact, there’s less than 10 million people today, according to US Debt Clock, that identify as being self-employed. So if you have a country with 350 million people, that means you have less than 3% of our population that’s even self-employed. So you only have three out of every 100 people in America

that are self-employed to begin with, and when Inc. Magazine reports that 96% of businesses fail by default, by default you have a one out of a thousand chance of succeeding in the game of business. But yet the average client that you and I work with, we can typically double this. No hyperbole, no exaggeration. I have thousands of testimonials to back this up. We have thousands of testimonials to back it up. But when you work with a home builder,

when I work with a business owner, we can typically double the size of the company within 24 months. Yeah. And you say, double? Yeah, there’s businesses that we have tripled.

There’s businesses we’ve grown 8x. There’s so many examples you can see at thrivetimeshow.com. But again, this is the most interactive best business workshop on the planet. This is objectively the highest rated and most reviewed business workshop on the planet.

And then you add to that Robert Kiyosaki, the best-selling author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad. You add to that Eric Trump, the man that runs the Trump Organization. You add to that Sean Baker. Now you might say, but Clay, is there more?

I need more. Well, OK, Tom Wheelwright is the wealth strategist for Robert Kiyosaki. So people say, Robert Kiyosaki, who’s his financial wealth advisor? Who’s the guy who manages?

Who’s his wealth strategist? His wealth strategist, Tom Wheelwright, will be here. And you say, Clay, I still, I’m not going to get a ticket unless you give me more. Okay, fine. We’re going to serve you the same meal both days. True story.

We cater in food, and because I keep it simple, I literally bring him the same food both days for lunch. It’s Ted Esconzito’s, an incredible Mexican restaurant. That’s going to happen. And Jill Donovan, our good friend, who is the founder of Rustic Cuff.

She started that company in her home, and now she sells millions of dollars of apparel and products. That’s rusticcuff.com. And someone says, I want more. This is not enough.

Give me more.

OK. I’m not going to mention their names right now, because I’m working on it behind the scenes here. But we’ve got one guy who’s given me a verbal to be here, and this is a guy who’s one of the wealthiest people in Oklahoma, and nobody really knows who he is because he’s built systems that are very utilitarian, that offer a lot of value. He’s made a lot of money in the – it’s the – it’s where you rent – it’s short – it’s where you’re renting storage spaces.

He’s a storage space guy. He owns the – what do you call that? The rental – the – storage space? Storage units. This guy owns storage units. He owns railroad cars. He owns a lot of assets that make money on a daily basis. But they’re not like customer facing. Most people don’t know who owns the mini storage facility.

Or most people don’t know who owns the warehouse that’s passively making money. Most people don’t know who owns the railroad cars. But this guy, he’s giving me a verbal that he will be here. And we just continue to add more and more success stories. So if you’re out there today and you want to change your life, you want to give yourself a

incredible gift, you want a life-changing experience, you want to learn how to start and grow a company, go to Thrivetimeshow.com. Go there right now. Thrivetimeshow.com. Request a ticket for the two-day interactive event. Again, the day here is March 6th and 7th. March 6th and 7th. We just got confirmation. Robert Kiyosaki, best-selling author, rich dad, poor dad, he’ll be here. Eric Trump, the man who leads the Trump Organization. It’s going to be a blasty blast.

There’s no upsells. Aaron, I could not be more excited about this event. I think it is incredible, and there’s somebody out there right now, you’re watching, and you’re like, but I already signed up for this incredible other program called Smoke Your Way to Thin. You think that’s going to change your life? I promise you, this will be ten times better than that.

It’s like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking.

Don’t do the smoke your way to thin conference. That is…

I’ve tried it.

Don’t do it. Chain smoking is not a viable… I mean, it is life changing. It is life changing. If you become a chain smoker, it is life changing. It’s not the best weight loss program though.

Right. Not really. If you’re looking to have life changing results in a way that won’t cause you to have a stoma, get your tickets at Thrivetimeshow.com. Again that’s Aaron Antis, I’m Clay Clark, reminding you and inviting you to come out to the two-day interactive Thrivetimeshow workshop right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

I promise you it will be a life-changing experience. I promise you it will be a life-changing experience. We can’t wait to see you right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma.